Luiza said
"It is beyond me how you can see this level of hospitalizations while we have both the restrictions and a vaccination rate of over 80% in the province and still defend the mandate. Clearly either the vaccines don’t work or have no significant impact on the overall death rate. Or who ends up in a hospital.
Not to mention that in the middle of December of 2020: the unvaccinated accounted for a 100 % of deaths. Now, 30 % of the deaths are people who have gotten their third shot. And the unvaccinated account for what, 24%?
As far as the trucker convoy goes….. for the last time, for the people in the back: this is not an anti-vaxx movement, regardless of what CBC says. It’s anti-mandate. Canadians have gone and gotten their shots, more than 80%. Clearly, had these vaccines stopped the transmission in a meaningful way, we would be in a completely different situation.
Amusingly, even National Post is beginning to ask questions whether Trudeau has the right to say which views are acceptable.
Having read the 4 pages of this thread, I see so much hatred. You’re forgetting we’re all Canadians. Act like it.
"No hate, but certainly passion on a very passion-worthy topic. I'd suggest that first and foremost Canadians don't let Canadian medical systems be pushed to the brink by allowing deceptive talking points to encourage critical public health decisions.
The same old talking points you're citing here have been addressed in other threads quite a few times but since they haven't been approached here we'll take another go because it's actually easier to answer and understand right now with our medical system being at or near the max.
Using absolute numbers is extremely deceptive when dealing with significantly different population sizes. Week-to-week, month-to-month, region-to-region the data indisputably shows that the unvaccinated are much more likely to be hospitalized relative to fully vaxxed/boosted and overwhelmingly more likely to require ICU care.
From the current provincial stats page, this is the breakdown in hospitalization and ICU by vaccine status for the past 6 weeks along with the most recent data on how many have had each number of shots. Taking the two together to perform some calculations independently and it tells quite the story. The difference between someone that's had no vaccine and someone that's had their recommended two shots plus booster is stark.
For hospitalizations…
0 vaccine doses: 249 hospitalizations. Unvaxxed are currently 190,963 of the population. Aka 23% of hospitalizations have come from just 14.5% of the population.
3 vaccine doses: 230 hospitalizations. boosted are currently 511,992 of the population. Aka 21% of hospitalizations from 39% of the population.
For ICU….
0 vaccine doses: 44 in ICU. Currently 190,963 of the population. Put another way, 14.5% of the vaccine-eligible population accounts for 44% of ICU.
3 vaccine doses: 16 in ICU. Currently 511,992 of the population. Aka 39% of the population, 15% of ICU.
If the same rate of hospitalizations in boosted people was applied to the unvaccinated, those 190,963 people would account for just 86 hospitalizations rather than 249. Put another way, statistically speaking there have been in the area of 163 more hospitalizations over the past six weeks than there would have been if the unvaccinated were vaxxed & boosted.
Where the difference is even more pronounced is in ICU. If the same rate of ICU in boosted people was applied to the unvaccinated, those 190,963 people would account for just SIX in ICU. Aka there would have been approx 38 less people in ICU over the past six weeks if the unvaxxed were fully vaxxed and boosted. When we're in a situation where at 110 in ICU we're just a few beds short of the expanded capacity (for Covid and non-Covid patients) and having to try to find ways to further expand capacity and at the point where people are now needing to be shifting around to different hospitals within Manitoba.
Based on extra hospitalizations and especially ICU I'd suggest it's highly likely that the level of restrictions currently in place wouldn't be necessary if the extra requirements of the medical system to care for the disproportionate number of cases in unvaxxed weren't so.
These ultimately will be approximations since the vax rate is a moving target. Officially based on calculations the province uses they have the not-fully-vaccinated at 3x more likely to be hospitalized 7x more likely to be admitted to ICU and 5x more likely to die with Covid.
The same general trend has been consistent in other regions.
It’s been great to see the boosted number going up over these last few weeks. The new uptake rate is slowing a little, but now not far from the point where three shot folks outnumber two shot folks. If we get to the point of re-opening and reducing restrictions, based on the numbers it will in large part be because enough people got boosted to pick up the slack to allow the medical system to just barely keep up with the extra demand that’s come from care required for the unvaccinated.