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Yup just saw 3 kids just about get hit!!!

Was at the Macs on 1st and Park the other night at 10pm and a girl came in alone to buy stuff. I'm guessing she was 5 or 6. At least she was wearing her bike helmet.  
 
Edited by CommonTater, 2015-06-24 17:20:05

I literally live exactly where you are referring to and I hardly see kids playing on the road.

It's been like that for years.

Maybe the city should have a playground and green space. Oops, I forgot that they had one in that area and dug it out for more low income housing units. (*sarcasm*) Seems to me what these kids need is a better place to play other than the streets, CPR rail yard or trespassing on someone's property.  
 
Instead of putting the focus completely on the parents supervision skills, perhaps we should take a look at the bigger picture? Why are the kids screwing around throughout the neighbourhood? The answer is simple... they're bored with nothing to do and have no place to go. So they migrate from one spot to another, criss-crossing the streets, doing foolish things and getting into trouble. Maybe a play park won't be the answer. For what I heard and saw, the old park was in bad shape from lack of community pride or responsibility and there was never any upkeep or improvements by the city over the years. But having something is got to be better than having nothing at all. Perhaps a spray park with play structure would do some good for the neighbourhood?  
 
Instead of finger pointing... Let's try something different today. How about identifying the real problems and coming up with possible solutions?  
 
Geez, now I feel like a bleeding heart social worker.  
 
HEY! TAKE YOUR BLOODY KIDS HOME AND KEEP THEM OFF THE STREET & OUT OF OUR SIGHT! WE'RE TRYING TO CUT THROUGH YOUR NEIGHBOURHOOD AS FAST AS WE CAN TO BEAT THE TRAFFIC! AND IT'S NOT HAPPENING IF YOUR OFFSPRING KEEPS GETTING IN THE WAY!-Now that feels better.  
 
Just my opinion, I could be wrong.  
 
 
 
Edited by snowman5, 2015-06-24 21:42:05

snowman5 said "Maybe the city should have a playground and green space. Oops, I forgot that they had one in that area and dug it out for more low income housing units. (*sarcasm*) Seems to me what these kids need is a better place to play other than the streets, CPR rail yard or trespassing on someone's property.     Instead of putting the focus completely on the parents supervision skills, perhaps we should take a look at the bigger picture? Why are the kids screwing around throughout the neighbourhood? The answer is simple... they're bored with nothing to do and have no place to go. So they migrate from one spot to another, criss-crossing the streets, doing foolish things and getting into trouble. Maybe a play park won't be the answer. For what I heard and saw, the old park was in bad shape from lack of community pride or responsibility and there was never any upkeep or improvements by the city over the years. But having something is got to be better than having nothing at all. Perhaps a spray park with play structure would do some good for the neighbourhood?     Instead of finger pointing... Let's try something different today. How about identifying the real problems and coming up with possible solutions?     Geez, now I feel like a bleeding heart social worker.     HEY! TAKE YOUR BLOODY KIDS HOME AND KEEP THEM OFF THE STREET & OUT OF OUR SIGHT! WE'RE TRYING TO CUT THROUGH YOUR NEIGHBOURHOOD AS FAST AS WE CAN TO BEAT THE TRAFFIC! AND IT'S NOT HAPPENING IF YOUR OFFSPRING KEEPS GETTING IN THE WAY!-Now that feels better.     Just my opinion, I could be wrong.         Edited by snowman5, 2015-06-24 21:42:05"

Instead of no supervision in the streets , you would like a spray park or playground the parents STILL won't supervise them at?

The answer is real real close. It does involve volunteers though. The North End community centre is part of the answer.  
 
The east end centre keeps the kids busy in winter. While they have the youth program in the summer the pool and Rideau park is the main draw.  
 
The facility is there. Funding - well some of that was yanked to refurbish and run by paid staff  
At the new civic centre a youth centre in a area already well serviced.  
 
No matter.Area residents can call the North end centre and build a place kids can keep busy at but they need to help.  
 
 
 

Parents that let their kids play outside before they turn 20.  
What will happen next.  
 
I wonder how long before someone phones the police and wants the parents charged for neglect.  
 
Edited by loeog, 2015-06-24 22:21:31

There is a park less then a block away from there.

Seems to be everywhere unfortunately. I was out for a walk with my son the other day, on the bike paths near 34th, a couple of young kids were playing with a soccer ball along the path. The ball went out onto the road and one of the little boys just bolted to get it. I don't think I have ever screamed so loud in my life, just yelled "hey!". Luckily the car had time to stop, but the little guy didn't even notice me or the car, just grabbed his ball and continued on with the other kids. And my fiance was driving the other day on Brandon Ave and a little girl, couldnt be any older then 5, was riding her bike along the side of the road, and kept swerving onto the road infront of my fiance, he was obviously paying attention and watching for her, but it made him incredibly nervous still. I couldn't imagine hitting one of these kids, and it wouldn't even be my fault. I agree parents need to be watching more.

I know of the problem you speak of as i live there and I came home from work 1 night 2 weeks eat 1230 and there had to be close to 10 kids running on the street and riding bikes and scooter things lucky there was a cop doing patrol and he flipped on the lights turned around and escorted them all home and had a chat with a few of theolder ones before setting them off on there way. I have no issue with kids playing outside BUT because of where a busy street and the railway tracks are there must be ssupervision. With north American lumber being right there also there is heavy ie super b truck traffic. When the fire dept could go south over the 8th street bridge it was always scary as well cause the trucks would come off of 19th north and fly down stickney. I mean it only takes 10 seconds to stick your head out the door and look to make sure your kids aren't playing in the street or where they shouldn't be

But I see kids outside unattended all the time in mine. Ages range from 3 and up. They go to the park, run around outside all day by themselves. It's one thing to let your children play in the yard it's another to let them run around the neighbourhood, even if you have taught them the rules of the road and to be cautious of strangers. You don't always know your kids people... You can tell them never ever go on the road and then, suddenly their ball goes out into the street and they're chasing after it not even thinking about it. (I have witnessed this happen) please be careful and watch your kids.. I keep an eye out on the kids in my neighbourhood but I shouldn't have too. It's the parents job!

its great to see them out playing but I think the point trying to be made here is the young ages of the kids on the roads and not realizing they might be in danger. Parents need exercise and fresh air, maybe they could be out with the kids playing and enjoying them too.....kids grow up so fast!!  

I live in this area, the kids are always running around unsupervised. Going into peoples yards, running down the back lanes, and on the streets. There is a park at the community center, this is where they should be playing, with supervision. As far as I am concerned if they are causing traffic problems and trespassing call BPS  
and get CFS involved.

Well said! They have stuff to do, the park is right there, it's just the parents not enforcing it! With some of the drivers out there one of these days a kids going to get hurt. Then who will be in trouble? Sure wouldn't be the parents. If you take care of your kids to begin with no one will get hurt.

snowman5 said "Maybe the city should have a playground and green space. Oops, I forgot that they had one in that area and dug it out for more low income housing units. (*sarcasm*) Seems to me what these kids need is a better place to play other than the streets, CPR rail yard or trespassing on someone's property.     Instead of putting the focus completely on the parents supervision skills, perhaps we should take a look at the bigger picture? Why are the kids screwing around throughout the neighbourhood? The answer is simple... they're bored with nothing to do and have no place to go. So they migrate from one spot to another, criss-crossing the streets, doing foolish things and getting into trouble. Maybe a play park won't be the answer. For what I heard and saw, the old park was in bad shape from lack of community pride or responsibility and there was never any upkeep or improvements by the city over the years. But having something is got to be better than having nothing at all. Perhaps a spray park with play structure would do some good for the neighbourhood?     Instead of finger pointing... Let's try something different today. How about identifying the real problems and coming up with possible solutions?     Geez, now I feel like a bleeding heart social worker.     HEY! TAKE YOUR BLOODY KIDS HOME AND KEEP THEM OFF THE STREET & OUT OF OUR SIGHT! WE'RE TRYING TO CUT THROUGH YOUR NEIGHBOURHOOD AS FAST AS WE CAN TO BEAT THE TRAFFIC! AND IT'S NOT HAPPENING IF YOUR OFFSPRING KEEPS GETTING IN THE WAY!-Now that feels better.     Just my opinion, I could be wrong.         Edited by snowman5, 2015-06-24 21:42:05"

Why shouldn't the parents be primarily responsible?  
BTW there is the North end community center right there that has a park with swings and other usual park things.  
I also frequent that area and agree every so often there is a certain group of small kids that play right near the road and I have had to stop for the 4 year old who ran out into the street....with no parents around.  
The "real problem" IS the parents not anyone else or the fact you seem to think there is nothing for these kids to do when they also have a yard to play in. It's called find something to do! Just because they may be bored doesn't mean they get into trouble....well maybe if your parents aren't around to tell you otherwise. Again to me this seems to fall back on the parents not the lack of interesting things to do.

I don't think anybody has a problem with the kids playing outside. Trust me, in this day and age it's fantastic to see kids outside. It's the fact that they are playing in and near the streets. What would these parents say if one of their kids got hit? It sure as heck wouldn't be their fault for not watching their kids. My mom lives near Willowdale and there is a little park RIGHT there, and daily these kids are running across the back lane, and there are big garbage bins they run out from behind. No matter how slow you are driving, you hit a little one with your car and they are going to get hurt.

I looked out my window off and on yesterday and did not see one kid playing on or near the area of the road you guys speak of. All this sounds like is a series of random isolated incidents that some of you have witnessed or experienced.

And nothing one kid on the side walk, I live 5 blocks from this place, for 20 years,it was low income housing long before the new development, always a lot of kids even more now, I cant remember the last time I saw a kid even crossing the street, let alone laying on the road, doing cart wheels and stopping traffic, and I drive by there after school gets out every day just a big hullabaloo about nothing I think,there's no more kids on the road than any other residential area in town

DaveM said "I see that all the time, big groups of kids on bikes to. Also one time there were little girls doing cartwheels right on the road and making cars stop. There is a big area in between those places they can play, not sure why they don't play in there. Definitely wouldn't take long to check on their kids to see where they are but they never seem to, there is never a parent in sight. "

Yes, it's a dangerous area for children. I see cars ripping though that area all the time: but seriously, they've formed a bike gang and they are doing cartwheels.  
 
The city has decided to create affordable housing all through that area, I suggest the area gets posted as a residential area and the speeds be set at 30km.

If you feel so strongly about this call someone,your councilman, police the mayor anybody, why waste your time on Ebrandon it solves nothing

I live in this area and I know exactly what you mean. It's like the kids have taken over the whole street, literally. It's mostly immigrants from the low income housing, mexican girls mainly, or whatever they are. If they want to play on the streets then maybe they should build a street designated for the them Lol!

I truly believe it takes a community to raise a child and in the past few decades we have become so afraid of our neighbors that we have lost sight of this. I personally think it's great that kids are out playing outside, riding their bikes, and having a blast and everyone watches out for each others kids like they used to when we were kids. Not only is it great exercise but it teaches them all sorts of life skills that they need to be successful in life; things like independence, problem solving skills, and social skills. Many of you may not be aware but most in today's society a vast majority of children are lacking these skills because they are hard to develop in front of the TV, iPad's, or with parents who do everything for them. Perhaps instead of jumping on your soap box on a eBrandon discussion, maybe you should be apart of that community. Takes two seconds to stop your car and tell the kid why it's important to stay off the road - I've done it and no big scary boogieman came and jumped out and attacked me! Think about it, that two minute conversation might make all the difference for when the car behind you comes.

I think some people are missing the point of the original post. Not once did the OP say anything about having a problem with the kids playing outside, it's the kids playing around and in the streets with no supervision that is the problem. Yes it's great when everybody in the community keeps an eye on the kids, but it's also not other parent's responsibility to tell your kids they shouldn't be doing something dangerous. If i was driving my car and your child ran out onto the road and i hit them , you would say it's ny fault because i didn't tell your child before hand how dangerous it is to be running into traffic?  
 

Have you people seen that park? yes swings and a couple climbing things, everything else in that park isn't all that usable......even the swings look all melted......that park really needs an upgrade............  
Parents need to watch their kids, I always see kids walk the edges of those townhouses, omg I'd never let my kids go anywhere near there.....I wonder how many of them have fallen off already....................People just need to slow down on stickney ave......there are a lot of kids in the area, PLEASE SLOW DOWN Does not matter what bridge you are by!

Lot of nasty kids in that area. They will say things out of disrespect. Especially these mexican girls, at least I think that's what they are. They are very rude and disrespectful and need a smack. Their parents must not be very bright if they raised their kids to talk like they do. They let them run around the streets and at night. 10 at night and those kids are roaming around. Somebody has got to do something about this.

RKL said "Lot of nasty kids in that area. They will say things out of disrespect. Especially these mexican girls, at least I think that's what they are. They are very rude and disrespectful and need a smack. Their parents must not be very bright if they raised their kids to talk like they do. They let them run around the streets and at night. 10 at night and those kids are roaming around. Somebody has got to do something about this. "

Your worse than the OP why come on Ebrandon and stir up all the key board cowboys, what do you want to round up a vigilante posse to run those rude Mexican girls out of town, its 2015 we don't smack rude kids anymore its against the law, call the cops your councilman the mayor, city somebody that can do something if you think children are in danger.  
I see the cops patrolling down here all the time, either like me they don't see it, or they are ignoring it which do you think is more likly

Keyboard cowboys Lol! Well if that's what you think I'm doing then you could say that for all the other discussions on eBrandon. What do you think they are doing? The same thing. But not as you would call it, stirring up the keyboard cowboys but more like, discussing the topics as that is what everyone does on here. Well then saddle up cowboy, we got some stirrin' up to do Lol!

Across from the new mb housing, in the old mb housing. First id like to say thank you to those who don't pass judgment or where quick to defend some of the parents. Now, my kids are outside, in my yard or the neighbors playing. They're literally NEVER unsupervised, a mum or older sibling is ALWAYS with the smaller children. I don't believe for one minute that any of these parents don't love their children or care whether they get hit. Honestly what we expect is our older children to have the common sense to act appropriately. I've never witnessed a child just dart in front of traffic they all look both ways. I did hear of the kids who stopped traffic. One incident of kids being kids. I am sickened by a lot of the comments like call CFS. Are you kidding me. My 11 year old daughter doesn't require my supervision to be outside, she's also more than capable of watching her brother and sister without them being harmed. It teaches her responsibility, and independence. It also allows her to earn a few bucks. Sadly we don't have fenced yards and aren't allowed to install anything. Now stop being so quick to judge. I'm a single mum of 4, I work fulltime and part time and am a full time student. I bust my butt to provide for my kids, and am tired of ppl running their mouths without having a hot.clue. I am not always available to be outside, you see because I love my children as much as I do, when I am home I am cleaning, cooking, preparing for the next day, week, month, to ensure their needs are met and we can get out of MB housing and have a better life. What are my kids supposed to do? Sit on the computer, tablet or TV while I do what needs to be done and won't be done by anyone else? Or how about I send them 3 blocks away on their own, where if something where to happen I'd be to far away to know what's going on at the park. At least in my yard if they yell I'll hear them. Is the situation down here ideal? Nope. Is it perfect? Nope. But you have a ton of single mothers trying to do the best they can with what they've got. So get off your high horse and stop making threats or suggestions that aren't practical. How about make sure your kids are cared for, and when you drive down our street slow down, cause there are kids there playing outside. Where children should be. Take a look around at the two, three, sometimes four mums sitting in their lawn chairs relaxing after a hards days work talking about life together and bonding. Wave, we are all pretty nice women who are just trying to get by.

Who are you talking to? I'm talking about the housing units with the metal railing all over. Are you in one of those? I don't see many older siblings around. OK one time I seen an older girl with 3 younger girls. She looked like the leader, big girl with white shorts and long hair, real mouth piece that one. Apparently she likes to say things to strangers as they walk by. Maybe she thinks she is cool, who knows. Not a very good role model. The other girls seemed nice enough. Maybe the older one can learn from the younger ones Lol.