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No confliction.  
 
If a pedestrian is jaywalking, don't stop. If they're at a crosswalk, stop.

Cheezies said "My son took his drivers Ed and test within the last year. He too was told the same as jj123. And was told he would fail if he did stop for a pedestrian that wasn't at a crosswalk. And he would be at fault if rear -ended. So weird that these are so conflicting. Any drivers Ed instructors/testers on here have any answers.   Even though I know the op is right and I think the lady coming back and confronting her needs to get some anger mgmt courses, I would have a hard time stopping at that intersection safely at times. If I was driving south on 26th no problem stopping, but if I was driving north on 26th at that intersection it is on a slope. Traffic coming from behind may not have time to stop behind me as they may not see me till too late coming over that slope. Especially in winter. Maybe more harmful to me and the pedestrian.   This little hill/slope thing in that location was the perfect cover to surprise motorists in check stops for many years.   So I will stop when it is safe, or if the pedestrian leaves me no choice and starts to cross.   As a pedestrian I would walk one block down to 26th & Vic and cross at the lights. But that's just me.   "

im wondering if its the "safe" to stop part that may be up for debate.  
 
if the pedestrian was wanting to cross in a place that was unsafe to the driver then the instructor could say that safety is the reason  
 
i agree that it seem contrary to what MPIs handbook and what i was taught says  
 
i do have a driver instructor book, ill see if i can find more info on that

under the Highway Traffic Act, regarding rules and definitions of crosswalks, NOT by the drivers handbook.  
 
Ultimately, the handbook should be based on the HTA as well. If the HTA says to yield in certain situations, then yield.  
 
If you fail a test because of the instructor, but you followed the HTA, then challenge/appeal the failed test.  
 
Remember, Instructors work for MPI, and they may have a bias view at looking at things through an "at fault" view, for "if you get into an accident" situation.  
 
Have a good weekend.  
 
 

that "well my driving instructor said..." will not be a good defence in your trial, if you get charged. Again, see the HTA.

Everyone including the OP is calling that ignorant woman in the van a "lady". She is definitely not a lady. Woman and lady are not synonymous. (Sorry to get off-track)

1. All extensions of sidewalks, etc., both marked and unmarked, are crosswalks:  
2. Pedestrians have the right of way in crosswalks:  
3. Pedestrians are also not supposed to step out in front of moving vehicles.  
 
From this, pedestrians have the right of way when on the street, but shouldn't step off the curb when vehicles are coming. Also, no requirement for the driver of any car to stop for anyone at an unmarked crosswalk.

1. Correct.  
2. Correct  
3. Technically not true, only when at a crosswalk since they have the right of way. However common sense takes over and agreed with you.  
 
Except you should stop for pedestrians at unmarked crosswalks.  
 
You should not stop for someone jay walking.  
 
A pedestrian should not jay walk (cross the street at any point other than a crosswalk, but we all do it) and should only cross at a crosswalk.

My son also failed because he stopped for a pedestrian at a unmarked crosswalk. I also asked what should he have done hit the person and pass? Personally I don't walk across the road until the traffic stops. Right or wrong who knows as handbook says one thing but instructors say another.