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I wouldn't hesitate to try medical marijuana in whatever form if I suffered from a condition that would benefit from using it. I've seen so many people on different pills for a long time and then they need another pill to counteract the side effects of the original pill and it just goes on and on and on. I think there is a huge lack of research into the use of marijuana for medical purposes and a lot more needs to be done to show the benefits of its use. It has become a such a political hot potato for some groups and we are at a standstill on it. CNN had a really good series called Weed by neurologist Dr. Sanjay Gupta a couple of years ago. He was against using marijuana until he started to research the issue and then he became a strong supported of it. Especially for young children suffering from severe epilepsy You can check it out by googling -  
Dr Sanjay Gupta's CNN Special "WEED" - YouTube

As clinical studies are being more accepted by the general public, we are seeing an increase in the number of reliable studies in the public eye. Pills do have benefits. For instance, alot of people don't want to feel a 'buzz' from inhaling the vaporized flower. But they have shown some studies to suggest that ingesting fuller forms of the plant are more beneficial.  
In that, you are getting the full benefit of the plant, where concentrates or extracts are showing signs of having only a certain capacity to heal. Counter intuitively, some of the pills that are out there. May only produce a certain level of benefit.  
Cooking up the flower buds into a 'budder' and eatting it in that form is a litle different, but your able to isolate the cbd levels on certain strains through temperature control. By optimizing certain ranges over time.  
 
Myself, I have access to doctor's via skype messenger. Through a nationally recognized and governmentally approved compassion club. Working together with Canada's #1 Premium Mail Order Licensed Producers. $20 membership buy in to the club. Then the doctor is quoting a $35 prescription fee which is good for an indetermined amount of time. No need to renew. My website is then able to provide chemical percentages and ratios of cbd's comparitively to thc % levels. In currently available strains, as provided by the worlds utmost testing protocols and facilities.  
 
They've also got a little tab to inform customers of the upcoming strains, and the dates they will be available.  
 
We are a brand new club, focussing on  
delivering service at a rock bottom prices, where other companies of this type in the past have looked to capitalize on the portion of the community that needs this type of treatment. The obvious downside of this, is that those who need it most, are generally terminal patients, or have mobility issues. So, many are on income assistance, not able to afford the medicine they desire. Having to accept pharmaceutical products. So, we are targetting those people. Who need this service at affordable rates, giving them the opportunity to recieve the treatments they want without having to rely on criminal activity. The current liberal government has promised growth leading to legalization, but has encountered some 'unexpected' complications with 'international trade embargoes'. Personally, I believe this is a stalling technique where Justin will likely move forward on his 'promise' about 42 months into his term in the house.  
 
I hope this helps to shed a little light on where the growth is developing. If anyone has any other questions, please pm me here! or email sweatpotatoepie@hotmail.com  
 
Edited by LoadedGun, 2016-03-23 06:29:52

Pita said "This is NOT true....we live in rural Manitoba and my MSer has Medical Marijuana prescribed to him and is carded for use.     What people have to realize is that there are a lot of steps than one needs to go through before your Dr will even consider it. You can't just walk in and ask for a prescription. You have to go through a process. There are forms that must be filled out from a grower and your Dr must fill them in.     It is not a simple case of saying "Hey Doc, I want a prescription for Medical Marijuana" It just doesn't work that way...for good reasons.     Until I saw the difference in pain management that Medical Marijuana makes I would have said horse pucky....but....I have seen the difference so ....yes....there are times when it helps...and I would rather it than oxy! "

You need to find a doctor who advocates medicinal and holistic treatments. Some of them are straight up pill pushers who would never prescribe medicinal marijuana. They don't have the connections with their corporate pill suppliers to make a profit.  
 
I've got friends who treat their Multiple Sclerosis, nerve damage, lyme disease, PTSD, and a list of other ailments in a list of friends: with success. Not naming any names. But I wish the social stigmas weren't as strong as they are today. Slowly, we will hopefully see development and acceptance. And with that, the movement should be towards the grass roots approach of holistic and mindful living.  
 
The states down south are seeing a huge surge in the newly formed economic base. And has showed signs of choking out the Mexican black market in this area. Forcing development and reapropriation of funds in some areas. Pressing the population at large into a further state of innovation. But I want to know, where are all those extra dollars going to (since the 'criminals' aren't getting them)?

"Some of them are straight up pill pushers who would never prescribe medicinal marijuana. They don't have the connections with their corporate pill suppliers to make a profit. "  
 
Do you actually think Dr make a profit from prescriptions? Lol- nope  
 
I advocate for legalizing marijuana.  
 
More studies needed prior to prescribing for medical care.

I'm currently using the dispensary in Saskatchewan, its 2 hours away and the guy is great Lots of knowledge and a vast array of products

Sent you a PM LoadedGun

Seen this today-  
 
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/04/160414214826.htm  
"heavy cannabis use may impair the dopaminergic system, which could have a variety of negative effects on learning and behavior."  
 
More on marijuana induced dopamine suppression and effects on motivation-  
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-athletes-way/201307/does-long-term-cannabis-use-stifle-motivation  
 
I'm sure that's no surprise to most people.  
 
All drugs, pharmaceutical or plant based always have at least some degree of harmful side effect, and so it seems that marijuana is no exception. I'm not stating an opinion either way, other then that people should make an informed decision when choosing their treatment options.

Watch weed, weed 2 and weed 3.......it will open a lot of people's eyes when it comes to the pharmaceutical companies and such. Also watch Run for the Cure. Amazing. You can also watch on the vice channel a show called weediquette. I'm not one for yelling at my TV like a sports fan but my god those weed documentaries sure opened my eyes and made me angry with the government. Also check out the US government patent # 6630507. If it doesn't make you think or open your eyes then nothing will.

Enfyre said "Seen this today-     https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/04/160414214826.htm   "heavy cannabis use may impair the dopaminergic system, which could have a variety of negative effects on learning and behavior."     More on marijuana induced dopamine suppression and effects on motivation-   https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-athletes-way/201307/does-long-term-cannabis-use-stifle-motivation     I'm sure that's no surprise to most people.     All drugs, pharmaceutical or plant based always have at least some degree of harmful side effect, and so it seems that marijuana is no exception. I'm not stating an opinion either way, other then that people should make an informed decision when choosing their treatment options. "

Maybe, maybe not. I know a lot of people that smoke both medically and recreationally and most people can't tell they do. They are neither slow nor lazy.  
 
However, alcohol has many, many more problems associated with it psychologically, physically, mentally, behaviorally, and financially. I could go on and on but pointless because alcohol is legal and accepted while weed is not legal... I am looking forward to the day it is.  
 
I could also talk about highly addictive, debilitating, and at times lethal prescription drugs that are handed out whereas medical marijuana is neither addictive nor lethal but can replace some of those prescription drugs.  
 
Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2016-04-17 18:30:29

Of course doctors get a kick back from the Big pharmaceutical companies. You would be crazy not to think that!!  
 
Why on earth would all doctors in Mb not prescribe mm? There is a higher power at work and profits from big pharma companies have much influence on doctors!!  
 
Look at the USA for example. Percocet is highly addictive and easily available in USA. In fact one of the biggest pres pill on the streets today in USA. Those doctors know damn well a large percentage of prescriptions end up on the streets. They don't care , it's about numbers , number of presc written and number of pills prescribed. It's all about profit and not about our health.  
Those same companies are using their influence in Canada.  
 
Open your eyes!!  
 
There are potentially mega dollars on the table if mm can replace all those very nasty pills that are prescribed here in Canada. They will do everything in their power to stop the advance of mm. Lots of profits will be out the window.  
 

I think the bigger issue is that the health care system is too focused on medicating (whether drugs or marijuana).  
 
There is not as much focus on the factors of basic health which allow the body to function normally.  
 
For example, i have back pain...sent for an MRI and suggested pain killers. But my own research shows essential to drink more water to aid disc sport, essential to up certain minerals we no longer receive from our food which is hot house grown, important to do some specific gentle exercises to activate certain muscles after years of prolonged sitting.  
 
The health system doesn't FOCUS on these functional changes our basic nutritional needs of our bodies.  
 
The focus is on medication because they are a product being advocated for by developers.  
 
We have pharmacies in every neighborhood but how many nutritionists hired by the regional health authority in Brandon? Just a handful for the entire city. We think of nutritionists more for pregnancy & diabetes patients.  
 
Yet the health system continues to apply allkinds of medications to the outside of wounds, despite patients consuming levels of processed foods & sugars the body simply can't cope with from the inside, preventing healing.  
 
So I don't feel 'medical' marijuana is the overarching answer, it just masks problemsby altering the brains functions to the point that their neurological functions break down.  
 
That's messing with a huge body system which affects other healthy systems in ways we don't yet understand.  
 
Anyway, my point is that real health solutions that are not medicine-based are up against the fact that no one will make a profit, and therefore no one will have the motivation to go through the many years of regulatory requirements to look for profit .solutions.  
 
It's just that the focus is wrong. I think the education of physicians is very reaction based compared to focusing on meeting a baseline standard of health for every patient proactively.

Cee Jay 55 said "    Enfyre said "Seen this today-     https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/04/160414214826.htm   "heavy cannabis use may impair the dopaminergic system, which could have a variety of negative effects on learning and behavior."     More on marijuana induced dopamine suppression and effects on motivation-   https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-athletes-way/201307/does-long-term-cannabis-use-stifle-motivation     I'm sure that's no surprise to most people.     All drugs, pharmaceutical or plant based always have at least some degree of harmful side effect, and so it seems that marijuana is no exception. I'm not stating an opinion either way, other then that people should make an informed decision when choosing their treatment options. " Maybe, maybe not. I know a lot of people that smoke both medically and recreationally and most people can't tell they do. They are neither slow nor lazy.     However, alcohol has many, many more problems associated with it psychologically, physically, mentally, behaviorally, and financially. I could go on and on but pointless because alcohol is legal and accepted while weed is not legal... I am looking forward to the day it is.     I could also talk about highly addictive, debilitating, and at times lethal prescription drugs that are handed out whereas medical marijuana is neither addictive nor lethal but can replace some of those prescription drugs.     Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2016-04-17 18:30:29"

Pointing a finger at alcohol to justify marijuana is the old X is worse than Y therefore Y must be okay argument, it doesnt prove anything and is a distraction. But I agree things are a bit backwards there based on demonstrable harm.  
 
Personal observations don't carry a lot of scientific weight, however, for the sake of a thought experiment I'll pay you the compliment of assuming that your right on your observations that these people you speak of are not lazy, BUT might they have accomplished more if they did not smoke pot?  
How could we ever know? We would have to transcend out of time and space and view two alternate parallel universes, one in which they smoked up and one in which they didn't, all other variables aside, are you confident that there would be no difference in levels of accomplishment (and therefore contribution to society) between these doppelgangers? Even when real measurable evidence points to a different outcome?  
 
That said, I'm not anti-marijuana, I'm just saying that people should make an informed decision when choosing to use it recreationly or medicinally.  
While it's comparatively safe in relation to what else is available, its not [i]perfectly[/i] safe, and real evidence supports this assertion.  

Not sure where you are getting your info from but, my son's GP has no issue signing the forms for medical marijuana...in fact...the last 2 have signed the forms.

Zekeland - I am not sure where you are getting your information, but you are wrong. Doctors and other prescribers DO NOT get 'kickbacks' or any other form of compensation from drug companies in Canada. I am a prescriber, and speak from first hand knowledge.

So I'm on workers comp right now from an injury I sustained at work that led to an operation in my neck and now I'm still left with nerve pain.  
 
My Dr suggested to the WCB drs that I be put on Nabulone. The WCB Dr's said no because there hasn't been enough testing done on the product in Canada. Now my Dr can prescribe it as well as my pain clinic Dr. But they are wanting WCB to cover it so I won't be on the hook for paying for the Rx.  
 
Does anyone know the cost would be monthly? Because the pain pills I'm on now don't do anything and I'm on max dosage.

If you call your pharmacy, they would be able to give you an estimate. It is very expensive.

curlysister said "If you call your pharmacy, they would be able to give you an estimate. It is very expensive. "

I'll give that a go, my Dr doesn't seem to have free samples

Enfyre said "    Cee Jay 55 said "    Enfyre said "Seen this today-     https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/04/160414214826.htm   "heavy cannabis use may impair the dopaminergic system, which could have a variety of negative effects on learning and behavior."     More on marijuana induced dopamine suppression and effects on motivation-   https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-athletes-way/201307/does-long-term-cannabis-use-stifle-motivation     I'm sure that's no surprise to most people.     All drugs, pharmaceutical or plant based always have at least some degree of harmful side effect, and so it seems that marijuana is no exception. I'm not stating an opinion either way, other then that people should make an informed decision when choosing their treatment options. " Maybe, maybe not. I know a lot of people that smoke both medically and recreationally and most people can't tell they do. They are neither slow nor lazy.     However, alcohol has many, many more problems associated with it psychologically, physically, mentally, behaviorally, and financially. I could go on and on but pointless because alcohol is legal and accepted while weed is not legal... I am looking forward to the day it is.     I could also talk about highly addictive, debilitating, and at times lethal prescription drugs that are handed out whereas medical marijuana is neither addictive nor lethal but can replace some of those prescription drugs.     Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2016-04-17 18:30:29" Pointing a finger at alcohol to justify marijuana is the old X is worse than Y therefore Y must be okay argument, it doesnt prove anything and is a distraction. But I agree things are a bit backwards there based on demonstrable harm.     Personal observations don't carry a lot of scientific weight, however, for the sake of a thought experiment I'll pay you the compliment of assuming that your right on your observations that these people you speak of are not lazy, BUT might they have accomplished more if they did not smoke pot?   How could we ever know? We would have to transcend out of time and space and view two alternate parallel universes, one in which they smoked up and one in which they didn't, all other variables aside, are you confident that there would be no difference in levels of accomplishment (and therefore contribution to society) between these doppelgangers? Even when real measurable evidence points to a different outcome?     That said, I'm not anti-marijuana, I'm just saying that people should make an informed decision when choosing to use it recreationly or medicinally.   While it's comparatively safe in relation to what else is available, its not [i]perfectly[/i] safe, and real evidence supports this assertion.   "

I was not "pointing a finger" at alcohol: I was pointing out that there is an unreasonable stigma attached to marijuana - I know, I deal with it all the time. It's okay for people to get shit-faced drunk or drink daily in moderation but tell people you use medical marijuana and all of a sudden YOU have a problem!!  
 
My MM replaced several potentially addictive drugs that could cause death if one becomes addicted to them and then stops taking them cold turkey.  
 
And your proposal is not measurable as well - how do we know if Willie Nelson would have even become famous if he did not smoke pot, or tons of other musicians that openly admit to smoking it? A lot of creative ideas are spawned from a toke or two. Maybe some people perform better if they do a few tokes? I know I do. I suffer from anxiety and insomnia - both cause me to function below par - MM helps me get through the BS and sleeplessness and allows me normalcy. The pills that I used to take did not do that: I always felt hungover or in a trance - sometimes unable to even understand what people were saying to me.  
 
Yes, there are a few undesirable side-effects with MM but they are far less than the prescription pills I was on.  
 
Edited by Cee Jay 55, 2016-04-18 14:53:08

When my son got his prescription for Nabilone before going on the natural Medical Marijuana, it was covered by Pharmacare...

I don't dispute the medicinal importance of marijuana, there's plenty of evidence to support its use, and evidence is what I base my opinions on.  
Glad to hear it works for you and agree it's probably a safer treatment option than many other choices, also agree that there's an illogical stigma attached to it.  
 
It's just that I so often hear this repeated assertion that marijuana is perfectly 100% safe, and I'm just trying to say is wait a minute, that might not be entirely accurate according to this study I just read, that's all.  

There is a medical reason for it. There are many medical conditions it helps, and or cure.  
As the old saying goes , I would rather be illegally alive , than legally dead.

You can make capsules out of medical marijuana oil, and coconut oil and take orally, as a suppository as that is the way it helps for cancer ,, crones... not smoking it.