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You guys can sit here and post the rule books over and over again, but if there is no crosswalk stating it is safe for a pedestrian to stop traffic, then they do not have to be let across. Simple as that. I was auto failed on the spot for slowing to let them go.  
My instructor told me to keep going, and I wasn't even told until I completed my test that it was an auto fail. And when i explained to him that I've been told my whole life that pedestrians have right of way, he simply stated that you don't have to stop for them. Had they already had a foot off the curb, that's another story.

CrimsonNeo said "Like really people get a hobby, a life, a job, go back to school, volunteer, get off welfare, go golfing, do SOMETHING with your life rather than write these ridiculous posts on eBrandon. I'm sick of filtering through good posts from the bad ones. Like JFC, how bored are you at home to sit on your ass and write absolutely nonsensical garbage like this, and then expect other people to read your crap and post a follow up. eBrandon has become the new National Enquirer. Full of garbage posts.     Edited by CrimsonNeo, 2016-06-25 10:41:27"

If someone wants to start a discussion about what ever it may be, they can. Ya some of the discussions are dumb or petty at times, but you can just as easily not read the discussion or read it and then move on. I think we have all read discussions on here that we've rolled are eyes at after reading. I know I have. But there's No reason to bash someone and get mad. Plus you might think its dumb or petty, but other people may not.  
 
Edited by The_Young_Man, 2016-06-25 11:03:41

ZachT said "You're traveling down a city street at 50 km/h, watching for traffic, pedestrians, signs, and whatever that needs your attention while driving. You see a pedestrian at a corner. Now you have to look down at the corner to see if the sidewalk is sloping down to the street or if the sidewalk is extended to the street, if you can see that far ahead because of other vehicles in front of you.     "Nope, it isn't, I'm not stopping."     "Yes it is. If I brake hard, I can just stop in time, and I hope that the person behind me doesn't rear end me."     Yup, this works well with not all intersections being crosswalks. There definitely needs to be clarification and unity on this. "

If you drive down princess between 1st and 18th street every sidewalk extends into the intersection. Therefore every intersection becomes a crosswalk if both sides have a sidewalk, marked or otherwise.  
 
If you drive down streets like 18st 1st street all crossing will be marked by something. so on major roads there are no unmarked crossings. '  
 
So as a driver you have to determine on if you are driving a major road where unmarked crossing would present a problem or if you are driving down a a road like princess or where traffic which is not a main road. In the case of princess if a sidewalk exist on boyh sides it is likely to be a crossing.  
 
So you can see with a little common sense it is possible to navigate the city without being super hard on your brakes

This has zero to do with whether the sidewalk slopes down to the road. That slope is there for wheelchair access. Just because there isn't a slope doesn't mean there isn't a crosswalk. Congratulations for confusing people even more though.

CrimsonNeo said "    The_Young_Man said "    CrimsonNeo said "Like really people get a hobby, a life, a job, go back to school, volunteer, get off welfare, go golfing, do SOMETHING with your life rather than write these ridiculous posts on eBrandon. I'm sick of filtering through good posts from the bad ones. Like JFC, how bored are you at home to sit on your ass and write absolutely nonsensical garbage like this, and then expect other people to read your crap and post a follow up. eBrandon has become the new National Enquirer. Full of garbage posts.     Edited by CrimsonNeo, 2016-06-25 10:41:27" If someone wants to start a discussion about what ever it may be, they can. Ya some of the discussions are dumb or petty at times, but you can just as easily not read the discussion or read it and then move on. I think we have all read discussions on here that we've rolled are eyes at after reading. I know I have. But there's No reason to bash someone and get mad. Plus you might think its dumb or petty, but other people may not.     Edited by The_Young_Man, 2016-06-25 11:03:41" Judging by the amount of hours you have wasted on this site I am going to assume you are one of the people who take pride in contributing to the rubbish. Just wow. "

Well I can already tell this is going to go know where. But considering you just joined Ebrandon a month ago(May 2016) and your already bashing people and getting mad, maybe Ebrandon is just not for you. Obviously its not and all you are doing is Trolling. Im sure you will be dealt with.  
 
Edited by The_Young_Man, 2016-06-25 11:59:17

You got struck by lightning or bedbug bit you or what?  
You responded few times yourself so makes you part of garbage topic and wasting time in your day.  
Anyone doesn't like the topic just skip it.  
No I'm not on welfare and never was.

lisaaxx said "Yes you're right, you can fail your driving test if you stop for a pedestrian say they're jaywalking. But I don't think this applies for people crossing if there's a sidewalk on both sides of the streets (and the sidewalk slopes down to the road) as this is an unmarked crosswalk, and as stated above, pedestrians do have the right-a-way. "

All sidewalks that extend to the street on both sides of the road are crossings.  
To make this easier: if you think you can intentionally run over a pedestrian because you have the right of way, it called murder.

Pedestrians must go to a cross walk where they have the right away. I see many cars fly through. Unacceptable. I also see people stopping for people who are j walking. This is dangerous. The vehicles in the other lane do not see what is happening putting the pedestrian at risk. Pedestrians do not have a right away in the middle of a block. This is common sense

do not stop for pedestrians to cross a street unless they have the right of way first meaning a crosswalk or a stop sign on my side of the street.  
When my turn to walk I do not make drivers stop for me and actually wave at drivers to keep driving when they stop for me to cross. Drivers stop making pedestrians cross a street when they don't have the right of way. we are not in 1920's

there are a few misconceptions around this topic  
 
at all intersections pedestrians do have the right away, it has already been posted and its quite clear but where the confusion comes in is whether the sidewalk has to extend to the street to be an unmarked crosswalk  
 
the hi way traffic act doesnt say anything about this so I say it is irrelevant, but some driving instructors disagree, mpi has not taken a proper stance on the issue and no one has taken it to court to push the matter BUT the reason some fail a drivers test when stopping for pedestrians in these instances is because the pedestrian has not signaled their intent to cross, which I know rarely happens but is written in the HTA  
 
If the pedestrian is j walking (in between blocks) you are not allowed to hit them but they do not have the right away, the appropriate action is to look ahead, identify the danger and start slowing well in advance so you can maintain a creep ahead both reducing your risk of being rear-ended and not hitting the pedestrian  
 
Looking ahead is the key to most of these issues, if you cant see the sidewalk because of the car in front of you, you are following to close, you also should be scanning for dangers, including pedestrians and slowing in case you do need to stop, therefore no need to go from 50 to 0kms and get rear-ended  
 
defensive driving is the key and those who were charged or failed a drivers test simply were not driving defensibly enough

To you people out there, the ones that slow for but never fully stop for a stop sign. The ones that fracture the odd speed law. The ones that drive too fast on slippery streets, but specifically,  
1chance, ZackT, chinnamamwaffles64, mikeinbrandon, do you people think that you are safe drivers. Well of course you do. You based on the fact that you have never been in an accident, or never been pulled over by the police. But the fact is....you are unsafe drivers. There is no gray area here and here is no need to clarify anything. The Highway Traffic Act and the Manitoba Driver's Handbook are clear. Vehicles WILL stop for pedestrians in marked or unmarked crosswalks. An unmarked crosswalk is clear defined in both the HTA and MDH. A pedestrian must signal their intention to cross and rarely do, but that is a separate discussion threat from this one.  
Bitch and complain, jump up and down, and voice your misguided opinions on ebrandon but the fact still remains, you are unsafe and if you fail to yield to a pedestrian and get a ticket from the police, then please don't come to this forum a seek sympathy.

How do you figure that I'm an unsafe driver? I never mentioned whether or not I've been in an accident, whether I've been stopped by the police or received any tickets. I never stated that I do or do not stop for pedestrians. I never stated that I follow too closely, although I can see where my stating that I may not be able to see the crosswalks ahead could be taken that way (other vehicles/big trucks in the other lanes could be blocking my view). So again I ask, how do you figure that I'm an unsafe driver when you know nothing about me or how I drive?  
 
I was making the point that, as a driver, we have to determine whether or not the sidewalk extends to the street. If the sidewalk doesn't extend to the street, then it is not a marked or an unmarked crosswalk as there is no crosswalk there to be marked or unmarked. Therefore, as I understand it, a pedestrian crossing there, whether they signal their intent to cross or not, would be jay walking.  
 
The fact that this discussion about pedestrians keeps on appearing on eBrandon means that there is still confusion about this and it needs to be addressed by the powers that be.

Irie Mon said "To you people out there, the ones that slow for but never fully stop for a stop sign. The ones that fracture the odd speed law. The ones that drive too fast on slippery streets, but specifically,   1chance, ZackT, chinnamamwaffles64, mikeinbrandon, do you people think that you are safe drivers. Well of course you do. You based on the fact that you have never been in an accident, or never been pulled over by the police. But the fact is....you are unsafe drivers. There is no gray area here and here is no need to clarify anything. The Highway Traffic Act and the Manitoba Driver's Handbook are clear. Vehicles WILL stop for pedestrians in marked or unmarked crosswalks. An unmarked crosswalk is clear defined in both the HTA and MDH. A pedestrian must signal their intention to cross and rarely do, but that is a separate discussion threat from this one.   Bitch and complain, jump up and down, and voice your misguided opinions on ebrandon but the fact still remains, you are unsafe and if you fail to yield to a pedestrian and get a ticket from the police, then please don't come to this forum a seek sympathy. "

Your whole post is an assumption. Do you know exactly how 1chance, ZackT, chinnamamwaffles64, mikeinbrandon drive?...NO you don't and your just making an assumption. Give your head a shake!

Maybe its time for the city and highway department to paint crosswalk lines and signs at every intersection along busy streets. That would put an end to the, what''''s a marked and un-marked crosswalk confusion once and for all. It would also make it safer for pedestrians and drivers, because everyone would know its a crosswalk. Which obviously there is an confusion about the issue, because these discussions about crosswalks appear here on Ebrandon several times a year. Also a lot of people aren't aware of the traffic laws concerning pedestrians and don't follow Ebrandon to see these post.  
 
Edited by The_Young_Man, 2016-06-26 15:41:07

...and I'm I'm not making assumptions. The very fact that you post misguided information and untruths means, that you either don't know the law, or know the law but just choose to ignore it because you don't believe in it. Under both scenarios means that you are an unsafe driver.  
The Young Man, perhaps the city should post speed limit signs in every block, or every intersection of the road and a private driveway. Perhaps they should install flashing lights on every stop sign for those that didn't see them. The Highways Department doesn't need to paint lines at every intersection because they have defined what constitutes a crosswalk in both the HTA and MDH. The very fact that you would post such a suggestion is proof that you are unsafe on the road.

Irie Mon said "...and I'm I'm not making assumptions. The very fact that you post misguided information and untruths means, that you either don't know the law, or know the law but just choose to ignore it because you don't believe in it. Under both scenarios means that you are an unsafe driver.   The Young Man, perhaps the city should post speed limit signs in every block, or every intersection of the road and a private driveway. Perhaps they should install flashing lights on every stop sign for those that didn't see them. The Highways Department doesn't need to paint lines at every intersection because they have defined what constitutes a crosswalk in both the HTA and MDH. The very fact that you would post such a suggestion is proof that you are unsafe on the road. "

Wow I can tell this is a really emotional subject for some. Reality is not everyone knows the law, that's why these discussions keep appearing on Ebrandon. Also a lot of people don't stop at marked crosswalks, let alone unmarked ones, I see it everyday and a lot of people don''t know the Highway Traffic Act or the what the driver hand book states when it comes to this issue.  
 
But guess what, I know what the laws are and I follow them and stop for pedestrians. All I was saying is that painting lines on the road could be beneficial, not for me because I know the laws, but for other driver who do not. But even then you will still have drivers that blow right by. But I guess making a suggestion somehow makes me a bad driver?  
 
Also no where did I post "misguided information and untruths", maybe others did, but not me and no im not at all a unsafe driver. You have no idea.  
 
Edited by The_Young_Man, 2016-06-26 16:45:41

Don't be a douche.  
That deserves a like.

well without seeing some of us driving you sure judge them quick.  
I didn't see anyone stating that they keep driving through crosswalks while a pedestrian is there.  
And same goes for you ... not because you never got into an accident or pulled over that you are a safe it could mean you are a lucky driver that never realized you almost hit a car or cyclist or so on so on.  
God made you well!!

Irie Mon said "...and I'm I'm not making assumptions. The very fact that you post misguided information and untruths means, that you either don't know the law, or know the law but just choose to ignore it because you don't believe in it. Under both scenarios means that you are an unsafe driver.   The Young Man, perhaps the city should post speed limit signs in every block, or every intersection of the road and a private driveway. Perhaps they should install flashing lights on every stop sign for those that didn't see them. The Highways Department doesn't need to paint lines at every intersection because they have defined what constitutes a crosswalk in both the HTA and MDH. The very fact that you would post such a suggestion is proof that you are unsafe on the road. "

I sure hope that you know ALL of the driving laws and obey them, otherwise you are an unsafe driver. If there is even one law that you don't know, or obey, such as exceeding the posted speed limit, you are also an unsafe driver.

If you stop to let anyone cross the street.  
 
Simply PUT your 4way flashers on for everyone safety...  
You are stopping for an unusual reason in the middle of roadway... put them on. Tells the other people in the other lanes that something unusual is occuring & you are not stopping to turn!. Hopefully they stop so they don't pass you & hit the ped.  
 
It also confirms to the ped that you see them & are stopping specifically for them.  
 
Regardless of the legal side . They're walking & perhaps carrying heavy bags in hot/cold weather. You are in a comfy seat with a/c & a radio. Do the right thing & stop let them cross. You'd likely have to stop at the next redlight or stop sign anyways. Whats 15 seconds going to matter!

This happened last year at a Marked cross walk with lights....My Gf was driving my truck and was coming toward this crossing...we saw a kid on a bike, upper teens with hat on sideways....he was still on his bike with no attempt to stop, get off or even push the button for light....Gf was stopping and i said don't stop, lay on your horn and go....she said no i am going to stop, i said he is Not a Pedestrian so don't stop.. Well she stopped for him, he rode across and got Hit by the car next to us......wasn't hurt but i felt bad for the old guy who hit him...he jumped up got his hat that was knocked off and rode away....

ken@ink said "If you stop to let anyone cross the street.     Simply PUT your 4way flashers on for everyone safety...   You are stopping for an unusual reason in the middle of roadway... put them on. Tells the other people in the other lanes that something unusual is occuring & you are not stopping to turn!. Hopefully they stop so they don't pass you & hit the ped.     It also confirms to the ped that you see them & are stopping specifically for them.     Regardless of the legal side . They're walking & perhaps carrying heavy bags in hot/cold weather. You are in a comfy seat with a/c & a radio. Do the right thing & stop let them cross. You'd likely have to stop at the next redlight or stop sign anyways. Whats 15 seconds going to matter! "

the right thing is follow the law of the road which is put for a reason.  
As a pedestrian I do not expect drivers to stop for me that I carry 1 bag or 2. It is not New York city that I would be standing in a corner street for 15 minutes to cross.  
They are laws for drivers, laws for cyclists, and laws for pedestrians and problems may encounter more chances when one doesn't follow them.

1 chance said "    ken@ink said "If you stop to let anyone cross the street.     Simply PUT your 4way flashers on for everyone safety...   You are stopping for an unusual reason in the middle of roadway... put them on. Tells the other people in the other lanes that something unusual is occuring & you are not stopping to turn!. Hopefully they stop so they don't pass you & hit the ped.     It also confirms to the ped that you see them & are stopping specifically for them.     Regardless of the legal side . They're walking & perhaps carrying heavy bags in hot/cold weather. You are in a comfy seat with a/c & a radio. Do the right thing & stop let them cross. You'd likely have to stop at the next redlight or stop sign anyways. Whats 15 seconds going to matter! " the right thing is follow the law of the road which is put for a reason.   As a pedestrian I do not expect drivers to stop for me that I carry 1 bag or 2. It is not New York city that I would be standing in a corner street for 15 minutes to cross.   They are laws for drivers, laws for cyclists, and laws for pedestrians and problems may encounter more chances when one doesn't follow them. "

When you clearly don't know the laws of the road.

http://www.mpi.mb.ca/en/pdfs/completehandbook.pdf  
Page 67  
 
FYI  
Especially remember, Young children are unpredictable, don't let your road rage get in the way of common sense.

loeog said "    1 chance said "    ken@ink said "If you stop to let anyone cross the street.     Simply PUT your 4way flashers on for everyone safety...   You are stopping for an unusual reason in the middle of roadway... put them on. Tells the other people in the other lanes that something unusual is occuring & you are not stopping to turn!. Hopefully they stop so they don't pass you & hit the ped.     It also confirms to the ped that you see them & are stopping specifically for them.     Regardless of the legal side . They're walking & perhaps carrying heavy bags in hot/cold weather. You are in a comfy seat with a/c & a radio. Do the right thing & stop let them cross. You'd likely have to stop at the next redlight or stop sign anyways. Whats 15 seconds going to matter! " the right thing is follow the law of the road which is put for a reason.   As a pedestrian I do not expect drivers to stop for me that I carry 1 bag or 2. It is not New York city that I would be standing in a corner street for 15 minutes to cross.   They are laws for drivers, laws for cyclists, and laws for pedestrians and problems may encounter more chances when one doesn't follow them. " When you clearly don't know the laws of the road. "

I don't you are not any better. You don't know how I proceed in public traffic. Get off my back.  
Vieux chialeux critiqueux

the lack of clarity on this subject.  
going as far as whether the curb has been sloped down or not. sheesh, thst just an indication that the city has not gotten around to it yet. at one point none of them were, they are however still crosswalk zones.  
 
somebody got failed at drivers test for slowing down to allow pedestrians to cross, the instructor was in the wrong on that one and i would have have gone after him for it. in your view they were indicating they intended to cross, there is no law that says the pedestrian has to hold out their hand.  
 
no wonder it is such an unsafe environment out there, with so many ideas and beliefs as to right and wrong. I am surprized more people are not hit

Haven''t read all the posts, but this topic should not be that confusing or even debatable.  
We all know that someone driving in Carberry may perform an act of kindness and let someone cross a street where it is not a crosswalk and everyone is perfectly fine with that as it''s a small town with little traffic. Try the same thing in Brandon and it''s a different story, Winnipeg, even more serious if you''re kind, you could actually enable a death with your kindness.  
It''s really not that complex.  
1. We have crosswalks with lights that tell when pedestrians should cross. We should all agree that it''s not wise to stop at a green light to let a pedestrian cross as it''s very dangerous and likely would cause an accident.  
2. We have major streets and Aves in Brandon where pedestrians should only cross where lines are painted on the road. They are usually at traffic lights or clearly marked crosswalks. Stop to let pedestrians cross at these legal crosswalks is ok, anywhere else and you should get a ticket.  
3.smaller streets intersecting major throughfare. All these have stop signs before you drive accross or drive on the major st or Ave. Think 25 st crossing Victoria. If you''re at the stop sign and there are pedestrians waiting to cross, then you must give way as the car driver. Nobody can argue or will dispute that.  
4. What everybody is arguing about I think is for example something like this: At the corner of Brandon ave and 3rd st. What do we do at that intersection? Logic would tell you that if you have a stop, then you let pedestrians go. However, if you do not have a stop the pedestrian should wait (as the wait won''t be long) and let the vehicle go through first.  
 
What''s really dangerous is when a kind person stops their vehicle for a pedestrian when there are no pedestrian crossing. In heavy traffic, (think 18''th, Vic or Rosser) this creates a chain reaction which can very possibly cause an accident not to mention that it''s also very dangerous forthe pedestrian, especially when traffic is multi-lane.  
 
Edited by 70`s guy, 2016-06-28 21:02:00

exactly. I hate when drivers stop pedestrian that isn't supposed to cross at that location but also as a pedestrian I hate when a driver stop so I can cross then I wave at the driver to keep driving because no no I am not supposed to cross I am just waiting for you to go.  
We are not in a 12 streets tiny town let the traffic flow go. I think in case of accident where the driver stops to let a pedestrian cross when not supposed to in unmark location the driver and the pedestrian should get a ticket. You driver should know not to stop and you pedestrian should know not to let a driver stop for you.

Previous 2 posters are wrong. You are not only part of the problem, but if people read this and believe you, you're making the problem even worse.

R part of the problem....sheesh!  
 
It''''s so simple!  
 
Stop sign, red light, "marked" pedestrian crossing =: pedestrian priority  
 
Otherwise, pedestrians are taking a chance and if you''''re a nice driver and stop and cause an accident, well hopefully you can live with that mistake.  
 
Yes, it'''s allarming to me that some drivers feel that cars should come to a halt when a pedestrian wants to cross the street anywhere.  
 
Jack Azz- where do you draw the limit on when a car should not stop to let a pedestrian cross? Here in Brandon we only have 4 lane aves and street and I feel that is still very dangerous for a kind driver to stop traffic for a pedestrian, but in Winnipeg there are areas on Portage where there are 8 or 10 lanes counting both direction. Think a nice driver has the right to just stop and let a pedestrian cross Portage Ave where there is not a marked Pedestrian crossing. That would be so unsafe and pure lunacy if you ask me!  
 
Edited by 70`s guy, 2016-06-29 13:55:09