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Many people posting with complaints are medical professionals?

Oryx said "Many people posting with complaints are medical professionals? "

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FREE HEALTH CARE!!!!

rogercsr2007 said "FREE HEALTH CARE!!!! "

Who has free health care? where does the government get the money?

Midway55 said "    rogercsr2007 said "FREE HEALTH CARE!!!! " Who has free health care? where does the government get the money? "

Yes technically we pay for it through taxes BUT it is nothing like the states, an example my dad who paid 600 a month for health care still had to pay 1600 for a CAT scan not including the deductible he also had to pay. So imagine you have cancer and require multiple scans and treatments and doctors visits, it can bankrupt people. Even having a baby can cost thousands of dollars in some hospitals.  
 
It's not just Brandon hospital where you have long wait times, I've had long wait times in small town hospitals and the children's hospital, where they were called ahead of time by our Doctor, had to wait three hours to be seen, another hour before he finally got hooked up to an iv (already had the port in) and another two hours to be admitted into the hospital. Then the surgery he was supposed to have early the next morning got put off two days because more emergent cases were coming in. It sucks but at least he wasn't bad enough that he was bumping other surgeries.

So please retract your claws...but at the end of the day they've been fighting this wait time problem for YEARS (or maybe they haven't). It would be interesting to talk to a health care bureaucrat about why this just seems to be a "deal with it" issue. You can remove the ER from the discussion all together and simply say "wait times are unacceptable" in the healthcare system period, and at some point you just have to say "enough with reasons for the failure, tell me what you need to do it properly?" don't blame George for going to the ER instead of a walk in...if that's the problem move the walk in to the General hospital and send him upstairs or wherever you re locate it. You can't blame your customer for coming to your business. I understand why we can't have a user pay system and why we can't have 2 tier health, but in exchange for the protections and monopolistic advantages the health care system enjoys they should be motivated to fix these issues.

Wait times wouldn't be so bad if the Emergency rooms were being used solely for emergencies. I feel the misuse of emergency services such as ambulances and emergency rooms is ridiculous in Manitoba in general. 24 hour walk in clinics would help but be prepared to pay more taxes to cover this. The public needs to be made aware or reminded about what an actual emergency is and calculate whether it is truly necessary to head into an emergency room.

Tradespinner said "Wait times wouldn't be so bad if the Emergency rooms were being used solely for emergencies. I feel the misuse of emergency services such as ambulances and emergency rooms is ridiculous in Manitoba in general. 24 hour walk in clinics would help but be prepared to pay more taxes to cover this. The public needs to be made aware or reminded about what an actual emergency is and calculate whether it is truly necessary to head into an emergency room. "

The elderly, people close to the hospital, I am sure some don't even know about walk in clinic.  
 
If it is later in the evening, there is no walk in clinic open.

hatsoff said "    pm5k said "I think I get it now...I was wondering why Winnipeg listed the wait times online. Now I know it's because there are more than one hospital and if you are in desperate need knowing what the general expected wait time is at each hospital would allow you to better choose where to go. Brandon only having one hospital it would likely cause more problems than it solved to give out estimated wait times. Thanks to the 4 of you that helped me figure out that casual question. " My theory was that Brandon is embarrassed about the wait times so they don't want to say   We had an 8 hour visit recently when it took 30 minutes total to take the x-ray, read the x-ray and apply a temporary cast. Not to mention they over looked additional damage of another body part due to the original injury and didn't even look at the 9 year olds nose that bled for 4 hours. Some quality care there. Sad thing is the actual doctor who finally did the cast was very nice and was clearly running around like a chicken to accommodate what I see as lack of staff/doctors. "

Wait time hard to predict. I would be very suprised if there was many 8 hour waits. Our experience would be 30 to 60 min. Hospital can not cast a broken bone until swelling has stoped. Sorry to hear the wait was so long but is it fair to bash when there is more to the story. There is some very caring staff at the hospital.

The ER is misused a lot. Many people think their illness/injury is an emergency but they are things that could be taken care of at a walk in clinic and they would wait less time!!! Another reason our ER gets bogged down is there aren't enough resources for mental health or elderly in our city. There are a lot more resources our city/province could use but there is just no money.  
I feel for the ER staff. Most of them are working double shifts because they are short staffed and get treated poorly because someone waited too long in the waiting room. It's a system that needs money and education for the users of the system.....IMO of course

People need to stop relating civil & social services as a business, especially with regards to health care. It's not a trip to the spa, so stop acting like it needs to be ran like one. I get it, no one wants to wait at a place fill with uncomfortable and unhappy strangers. But, with the influx of staffing and workload throughout any given time of day, using any of the public social services that's available is kinda like playing a lottery. ...It's all the luck of the draw. Sometimes the odds are to your advantage, sometimes they're not. This "time expectancy" is nothing but political fluff to amuse the public and to produce a false sense of political control by rating certain sections of the health care system. Getting medical advise and treatment for a patient cannot and should not be placed in the same classification processes as getting your car serviced. I'm not getting an oil change and my tires rotated. So, don't slot me in for an half an hour job and tell the next patient that the wait is thirty minutes. Because I may not want to be rushed through with my treatment just to meet unrealistic time expectations set by the outside influences of the public and political mindset. Once we start putting pressure and rushing these professionals, mistakes will start to happen. These are people requiring medical treatment, not customers wanting product and service.  
 
I'm not in any way work in or with the health care system, but I know many who do. And the public attitude towards healthcare employees and professionals has been changing dramatically over the last few years. Pharmacies are being treated by the public like fast food stands, walk-in clinics & emergency rooms have been expected to have an atmosphere & conditions more like restaurants and spas, nurses & homecare workers/aids are treated like servants, hospitals like hotels and doctors like robots. All of which they are expected to bend over backwards and give "just you" all of that attention (and service). ...all for nothing, but in return given rudeness, complaints, criticism and unrealistic selfishness.  
...Geeez people, when did we become so entitled that we stop seeing everything else beyond our personal needs and space? Have we become Americanized? Are we now adding ourselves to those "self-centered douchebags" that plague the developed countries?  
 
The stories I've heard during the recent years, would make any Canadian feel ashamed of what we're becoming. It's such a pi$$-poor attitude towards the vital care of public services & health industry brought on from those in all directions. From the behavior of the demanding general public, to unrealistic planned goals set by career-advancing supervisors, to the clueless and spineless appointed politicians... They all do their part to put strains on a flawed system. This "time expectancy" is just one more new strain. What better way to rate a health care system, ...by timing them. Yeah, that works fine in the food services. But, I'm not a burger on the grill ready to be slapped together, wrapped-up, bagged and be thrown out an drive-through window! Pushing dozens of people through the motions and out the door every hour shouldn't qualify or quantify as good health care in Emergency Rooms.  
 
We are so privileged to have the system that we got (flaws and all), but we act so spoiled and get fixated on the stupidest problems that we as a society created in the first place. That we being impatient/intolerant and another is having high expectations for something we know nothing about or don't want to be directly be involved in making better. Walk-in clinics were originally designed to relieve the workload of general practitioner offices and ERs. But instead, it only encourages us to become a society filled with hypochondriacs. Plus, we get those who won't take time off to go to the clinic, so instead, plug-up the ER after they close. And to top it off, with all the different levels media (news, social, ect...) filling our heads with "everyone is special" and the self entitlements that if someone else had been given some extraordinary attention ...they too should receive the same. Even though if the circumstances to that event are not accurate or even remotely similar to what is happening to that person who wishes to be treated better. "I don't care about you... It's all about me". "I'm right... you're wrong" is often heard because we've been conditioned for far too long with "The customer is always right" mentality. The fact is... You're not a customer! Stop acting like you're soooo entitled. It's a social program with limitations. Ran by educated people who have little control over policy, procedures and the standards of care. That's done by those who never have been in contact or training of the very thing that they are in charge of. The ones in charge see nothing but numbers and polls. That's it, nothing else. And they're set to pitch against one another. Budget vs needs. We all want the best, but there's never enough money. So the "higher-ups" put the screws the ones "working in the trenches" with new policies that are unrealistic or unpractical. ... like a time expectancy display for those who are waiting. Hey, just like at a restaurant or oil & lube joint! The public can relate to that! Right? We'll give them an app for their phones too! No pressure for the staff... It's going to help all of us in the long run! **sarcasm** And what's best about this system is now ER's wait times can be made to judge performance evaluations without all those other distracting facts like working conditions, case by case patient care, equipment and staff coverage, triage ...you know, silly stuff like that. It's just so much easier to release to the public that one ER has a four hour average wait, while another is doing six and yet another is only two hour waits. Wow that two hour one must be doing something right, what's wrong with the others? It's just stupid, to make the public think one place is better or faster than the other with a simple rating with no circumstances backing it up. It does nothing, but appease the short sighted public opinion.  
 
If you want an accurate time on something you want?... Then GO ORDER A PIZZA! Not a healthcare professional!  
 
Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

You might have mis-read or misinterpreted some of the posts.  
I think most people believe the medical staff at the hospital are great.  
 
The problem people like myself posted about is the government imposed wait time clocks. The clock means nothing, the only thing the clock does is put pressure on the staff to get you out of the waiting room and take your temperature.  
 
Your real wait time with or without the clock will not change. As someone said earlier, "the closer you are to dead, the faster the service."  
 
Lastly,  
Walkin clinics aren't open all night, so getting repaired often requires a long wait in emergency. It is what it is!  
 
Edited by loeog, 2016-12-30 18:41:20

rogercsr2007 said "FREE HEALTH CARE!!!! "

If you think Health Care is FREE I got some prime swamp land in Flordia for ya!  
 
I'd rather pay for Obamacare  
 
P.S. Snowman that's a mouthful!  
 
Edited by RustyTrebourne, 2016-12-30 18:41:36

Maybe people should consider that, depending on the time of day, there are only one or two doctors working in emergency at a time. If they have a eight patient approx care load each, they are waiting for lab results, consults, etc to return before deciding on the treatment. In this time a ambulance or code may be called in and they also have to take care of that. In this time the doctors are doing their best to give each person their best available time. In this work shift of generally 10 to 12 hours, breaks are often not taken because of priority issues to deal with.  
 
Also in this time, there are people coming in with a complaint that could very well wait for a walk in clinic treatment the next morning. In general, the people who complain the most have the least to complain about.  
 
Do I work in Brandon. No . . . but I have worked in a emergency department, yes. What bothers me is people complaining about things they have had no insight into. The emergency and health care workers are doing their best for every situation. Everyone is doing their best that people walk out healthy or on their way to better health. You are not there to see when tears fall about a death or dire circumstances and how it affects workers  
 
So next time someone decides to go to emergency with a sore toe or etc, think about wether or not you can survive until the walk in clinic opens the next day and if you can then perhaps take that route instead of extending the wait times in emergency. There is a reason it is called EMERGENCY.  
 
And don''t even get me started on the abuse of ambulance usage. That would be a completely new thread.  
 
Edited by ilds, 2016-12-30 18:47:15

You are wrong...on almost all points.

loeog said "You might have mis-read or misinterpreted some of the posts.   I think most people believe the medical staff at the hospital are great.     The problem people like myself posted about is the government imposed wait time clocks. The clock means nothing, the only thing the clock does is put pressure on the staff to get you out of the waiting room and take your temperature.     Your real wait time with or without the clock will not change. As someone said earlier, "the closer you are to dead, the faster the service."     Lastly,   Walkin clinics aren't open all night, so getting repaired often requires a long wait in emergency. It is what it is!     Edited by loeog, 2016-12-30 18:41:20"

I agree

Wait times can be brutal. I suffered a miscarriage back in the summer. When I got to the hospital it was around 5pm. I sat in the waiting room for a couple of hours after seeing triage and then when they took me to a room, I sat there for another 2.5 waiting for a doctor to come see me and assess me. The male doctor who saw me had very very poor bedside manner and had zero empathy to the situation, he also had a male student or resident with him who also lacked bedside manner in that type of situation. I was sent home within minutes of seeing them and they didn't even give me anything to manage the pain. Didn't get home until about 11pm and was in the worst pain of my life for the rest of the night.

About 3 weeks ago, I sat in the ER for close to 4 hrs with a pressure dressing where I was bleeding badly. I remembered though that close to a year ago I was one of these "close to death" people attended to by 3 Drs. I'm sure that on that evening a lot of people had a long wait while my life was being saved so I won't complain again. Ambulances bring people in while we sit waiting & we don't know that. All I know is that when we really need them, the ER staff ate truly there for us.

the last part should read "ER staff are truly there for us" - not ate!!

https://www.google.ca/amp/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.2947262?client=safari  
 
Most stories I hear are from people saying they needed to take a taxi.

I had my own night in the Brandon ER last winter and even though it took time, I can't complain. The nurses were excellent, and I saw one right away, with blood work done within 15 minutes. They knew right away what was going on and that I would be admitted, but it was crazy busy in there, and it took 5 hours to be put on an ER bed, and another 2 to actually see a doctor. Other than wishing I could lie down, it was not that bad. I was checked on often, and never felt neglected. I felt safe.  
 
While I was there, I saw two separate families bring in sick toddlers (middle of the night) . The nurses checked them out, told them there would be a wait, gave them some tylenol to hold them over, and then I sat and watched as over the next hour or two they progressed to running around chasing each other and laughing. The Tylenol had kicked in. They all went home without seeing a doctor. These kids spent the better part of the night in an ER waiting room potentially exposed to any number of viruses and possibly influenza, but they are not unusual. It probaby happens constantly.  
 
Compared to some places, BGH is a far better place to be. My Mom and Dad spent hours waiting to be seen in the Health Sciences Centre ER once, and it took my Dad going up to the desk and demanding to use the phone so he could call an ambulance before she was seen. She was in such bad shape that she was in intensive care 5 minutes after they saw her. If not for him she would likely have died there. She had no measurable blood pressure. She was also the former head of the medical records department for that whole hospital. Ironic. I'm confidant that this would never happen in Brandon. We should all appreciate the facility we have.