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Other things would piled high to hide it all away. Glad that there is more we can do for those stuck there fighting for their basic rights

I think they should be removed and/or arrested. They had multiple chances to attend the hearings and they chose not to. Prople/groups shouldn't be allowed to block public highways for any reason. And some of the footage I've seen they set fire to their blockade of tires and pallets and god knows what else, huge plume of black smoke, while claiming to be environmental crusaders.

No one listens to the native Americans down there. They are swept under the rug. Good for them at what they are trying to accomplish. I have a bad feeling Mr. Trump is going to squash this whole thing with a snap of his fingers.

I completely agree!

The ongoing protest at Standing Rock is a great example of truly nonviolent protest. These water protectors can be heard telling police acting as agents of corporate interests that they love them, that they are there to protect the water for all of our children. The concept of sacrifice is one that is still alive and well in indigenous culture, and it's not just to give up something, but to make it holy. Creating meaning in life.

Did you know that they are trying to zig zag a pipeline over a major water source? That they are trying to strong arm the natives from their land? That a "white" community had voted no for the same reasons? It's not a highway, it's a dangerous to the environment pipeline that will leak and or break poisoning the natural area.

Can you post a link with your information please. I've been following the protests since august and have even had family go to the front lines. Not once have I heard what your claiming.

The Standing Rock protestors have to up their game because when Trump approves the XL line to the the gulf all the media and professional demonstrators will moving west and south leaving them high and dry

I think anytime there's a large scale protest of any kind, your going to have people there for the cause and then people there just to cause problems and don't care what the issues are. Unfortunately they wreck it for the good people.  
 
And yes some protestors have set fire to tires, vehicles and debris. Picture below. There was also news footage of burnt out military trucks.  
 
Link:  
https://www.sayanythingblog.com/entry/fort-laramie-treaty-actually-requires-standing-rock-accept-pipeline/

Get some more info about this? Where at the university? And what to expect there?

The water is at risk, a small amount of oil in the river can affect more than 100 million people, so, whats more important water or oil, you can''t drink oil.  
 
Edited by Marie1983, 2016-11-15 16:43:26

Thanks to whoever put that on, was great to participate since can't go to standing rock any time soon

I was reading on another site that there is an existing pipeline passing through this area. It has been there for years with zero problems. Pipelines are far more environmentally safe way to transport oil than trucks or rail.  
 
I haven't been there for myself but the same source indicated the right of way was examined to ensure it did not pass through sacred burial grounds. Where is crosses the river is several miles down stream from the reserve. The aggressive protesters who have had confrontations with police force and security are outsiders not members of the local band.  
 
The claims I read from earlier posts don't fully mesh with what I have read from other sites.

JackAzz said "I think they should be removed and/or arrested. They had multiple chances to attend the hearings and they chose not to. Prople/groups shouldn't be allowed to block public highways for any reason. And some of the footage I've seen they set fire to their blockade of tires and pallets and god knows what else, huge plume of black smoke, while claiming to be environmental crusaders. "

Did you know, the initial hearings never took place? That the land they are digging up is protected land, and the owners of the land. Be it farmers, or the local indigenous tribes. Have all been against the development of these pipelines since day one? And more people are getting on board.  
 
People like you, are the reason why the aliens will not communicate openly with us.

ChrisDA said "    LoadedGun said "    JackAzz said "I think they should be removed and/or arrested. They had multiple chances to attend the hearings and they chose not to. Prople/groups shouldn't be allowed to block public highways for any reason. And some of the footage I've seen they set fire to their blockade of tires and pallets and god knows what else, huge plume of black smoke, while claiming to be environmental crusaders. " Did you know, the initial hearings never took place? That the land they are digging up is protected land, and the owners of the land. Be it farmers, or the local indigenous tribes. Have all been against the development of these pipelines since day one? And more people are getting on board.     People like you, are the reason why the aliens will not communicate openly with us. " I guarantee that all the farmers have not been against it from day one. There is thousands of dollars in kickbacks from the oil companies for accessing their land. Much like here in Canada it''s not like the pipelines come in, dig up the land and farmer Joe gets nothing from it.     The pipeline will happen one way or another. As of now it is the safest way to transport oil. Until we are able to solely rely on alternative energy and find other ways to manufacture/maintain/create etc everyday goods and services we should be supporting the safest method of crude transport currently available.     Whether we like to admit it almost every single one of us are reliant on this energy source for our everyday living from heating our homes to transportation to our everyday household goods.     Edited by ChrisDA, 2016-11-16 00:46:59"

I never once stated that all the farmers are against it. But there are some instances where they do not wish for their land to be torn up. Especially since the discovery of the burial sites.  
 
The tribes surrounding the lake never agreed to allow the corporations to do their work, but they have moved ahead with the "development" unlawfully.  
 
Bottom line is, they are breaking the law. And the people need to come together to stop this. But with the military and privatized police agencies who have been engaging in scare tatics, along with the macing, sic'ing attack dogs, and breaking the bones of the peaceful protestors, detaining them in dog cages, making them strip in front of large groups of agitators, and stripping them of basic human rights. This is not right.  
 
This is the way things will continue to go, if noone will take a stand. And, it seems to always be the indigenous communities taking the brunt. Going through the most turmoil. Their suffering being made to be dismissed.  
 
If there was something more I could do to prevent this development from going any further, I would.  
 
Things have undeniably escalated beyond the peaceful standpoint that was reached months ago. Force has been used against the people, who have flexed back in very small ways. Comparitively speaking.  
 
Let's not forget. This same body of water runs into the Assiniboine River. Which I already choose not to eat from, because of the local run off from the city.

Trespassing on private land, intimidating farmers and ranchers while they try to do their daily chores, taking pictures of farmer's and rancher's family members and license plates, holding people against their will for over half an hour in some cases while the people were just trying to drive their kids to school. Yeah, it''s a "peaceful protest". As long as the native groups are going to form allegiances with green communist thugs like Earth Justice, their complaints are not going to be getting any sympathy from me. "Professional protesters" who are just plain anti-capitalist, anti-oil no matter where it is and yeah, they claim to care about the environment, but they don''t think twice about setting piles of tires on fire, setting vehicles on fire and setting a bridge on fire.  
 
Here''s something to think about. The DAPL Protest is an illegal protest. If you try to help these protesters in any way, you are committing an illegal act yourself. If you are trying to cross the border with supplies like blankets or whatever, and US Customs finds out where you''re taking the supplies, you could be arrested. It is a crime to help these protesters. So, if you want to break US law...  
 
Edited by Triplethreat, 2016-11-16 02:43:39

They will make it illegal for the people to exercise their rights and freedoms to gather in a peaceful way. The second the enforcement agencies unleased the dogs, and pepper spray on the people. They had to categorize the protestors as having done something wrong in order to legitimize their unlawful use of force.  
 
Kudos to you for falling into it.  
 
I will maintain my stand that the pipeline has now, and never will have the appropriate authorization to be doing the things that they are. Especially when it will damage so many generations. You can't drink oil.

I find bismarcktribune.com has several articles on this subject.  
sometimes quotes from activists and protesters tend to get carried away with actual facts

Intimidating homeowners by trespassing in their yards and refusing to leave when asked, damaging/vandalizing private property, parking a truck on railroad tracks and then after it was removed, throwing rocks and logs on the railroad tracks. Again,I will mention harassing and detaining people who are just driving their kids to or from daycare and school. The protesters have no hesitation taking pictures of license plates of local residents and even the family members of farmers and ranchers while they are outside doing chores on their own land but, the same groups of organized communist/anarchist thugs staging the anti-Trump protests have threatened violence against anyone taking pictures of them. Why do such large numbers of these protesters cover their faces like middle eastern terrorists? Are they covering their faces because their picture is on a "wanted" poster somewhere and they don't want to be recognized? Is it because they plan on committing crimes ranging from trespassing and vandalism to more serious crimes like arson and assault and hope that they won't be identified? Is it because they are just cowards who find it easier to intimidate people while hiding behind a mask?  
 
As usual, we have to depend on reports from the mainstream media to try to get the truth. That's the same mainstream media who are always pushing the one sided climate change hoax and it's also the same mainstream media who edited the Zimmerman 911 call to make out that he had said something he hadn't. Remember that? All the rest of the alphabet networks, including the Canadian networks, went along and reported it that way. Not one of them ever apologized for giving us false information. No wonder every Canadian mainstream media report on the illegal DAPL Protest that I have heard, has ben reported from the point of view of the protesters.  
 
I am also getting really sick of Canadian leftists always going down to stick their noses in American's internal business. I almost hope that they do get arrested at the border. If Americans, especially right wing Americans, were coming to Canada to stick their noses into Canadian affairs, those same Canadians would have a bloody cow.

They are wearing bandanas and covering their faces because they keep getting sprayed with pepper spray. How incredibly stereotypical of you though. Smh. These people are being pulled out of prayer and sweat lodges and being arrested with bogus charges. You are part of the problem if you don't see why this is wrong.

This is obviously a matter of opinion. One in which things have escalated to varying degrees for a number of reasons.  
 
The claims that mainstream media have made any type of reference to whichever side is a sham. This has been going on for months. It's just now reaching the media. Initially, the coverage has all been one sided. Favouring the governments stand on it. Apart from that, its been a literal media blackout.  
 
I dont even know why 911 is being brought into this? Or these other incidents. Or unproven claims.  
 
Have you considered the way you would react to your family being sprayed in the face with mace and dogs put on them, for trying to protect your burial site? For wanting to maintain what little bit of land they have left?  
 
I feel like I'm speaking to a wall with some of these comments made here. But your right.  
 
The agreements have left them without a fair cut of the proceeds. In that, for a large number of the tribes there. There have been no offers made. No negotiations standing. Several outstanding court dates and hearings objecting to further 'progress' of the pipelines. Yet, the pipeline continues to push its way through like a pack of dogs.

This "anciant burial grounds" claim is bogus. They're claiming that the entire area are burial grounds in hopes of stopping the pipeline, but the actual locations aren't even known. There are laws dealing with what happens when human remains are uncovered, and I'm sure that in the small chance they actually find anything work will be stopped. Remember a few years ago along the Assiniboine some remains were found? Construction was halted until it could be dealt with. I think some of you have this picture of bulldozers plowing through heaps of skeletons, thats what the protestors would like you to believe but its simply not happening.

"LOUISIANA SHERIFF SHARES TESTIMONY FROM NORTH DAKOTA EXPERIENCE"  
A first-hand account with no media slant

Pipeline companies will work at all costs to run pipelines where it is the safest, least environmentally hazardous AND least controversial. I know of pipelines in the Westman area that have purposely reroute the new prospective lines to avoid uncooperative landowners. Some are never happy, and trust me, landowners are VERY WELL compensated. If the pipeline had gone through the USA Reserves, it would have been very lucrative for the Reserve. I think the underlying protest is that the reserve was avoided and therefore not receiving any compensation!!

Non partisan un-opinionated account of a Louisiana Sheriff. Do you realize what kind of an oxymoron that statement is?  
 
"The police presence in the area to protect farmers, ranchers and other private property interests have been costing the state of North Dakota millions of dollars."  
 
Because the protestors are forcing the police to be there. I have never heard from any of the local land owners, and farmers from around the area. To any extent. Other than when the claim has been made several times over that they are in support of the protest.

Um ... after the claim of damaged burial grounds experts from the North Dakota Historical Society were brought in and after extensive research concluded that "Construction of the Dakota Access Pipeline (DAPL) did Not destroy any sites sacred to the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe and that no sacred sites exist within the disputed 1.36 mile corridor located on Cannonball Ranch , recently purchased by (DAPL) "

The fact is this pipeline is going thru the same crossing where a natural gas pipeline and a hydro transmission line already are.They found no sacred burial sites and they are not on tribal land. The oil is being used by every single household in America including Aboriginal households. If this oil isn't moved by pipeline it will be shipped by railines that cross the same rivers.

The fact is this pipeline is going thru the same crossing where a natural gas pipeline and a hydro transmission line already are.They found no sacred burial sites and they are not on tribal land. The oil is being used by every single household in America including Aboriginal households. If this oil isn't moved by pipeline it will be shipped by railines that cross the same rivers.

 
 
Edited by Canuck Fanatic, 2016-11-19 09:25:23