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COVID-19 General Discussion - Part 3

COVID-19 General Discussion - Part 3

Adam

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Adam
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COVID-19 General Discussion - Part 3
4/6/2020 at 7:55 PM

This is the third part of an ongoing discussion on the COVID-19 pandemic and its effects within the community. This third discussion was started after the initial threads reached a length where it was becoming harder to browse and running slower than I’d like.
You can access part 1 any time at:
messagethread.aspx?startnum=1&message_id=1050008&cat_id=14
You can access part 2 any time at:
https://ebrandon.ca/messagethread.aspx?startnum=1&message_id=1050629&cat_id=14

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With COVID-19 having been declared a pandemic, we are starting seeing local impacts alongside efforts to limit the virus’ spread in the area.

The first source for information are pages from the Manitoba and Canada governments and the World Health Organization:
Manitoba: https://www.gov.mb.ca/health/coronavirus/

Canada: https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/coronavirus-disease-covid-19.html

WHO: https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019

We have an ongoing discussion focused strictly on facts and links to locally relevant developments that can be found at https://ebrandon.ca/messagethread.aspx?message_id=1049926&cat_id=3

As the state of the pandemic and response to it evolves there have been many questions or observations that folks have shown a want to discuss in that thread, which isnt intended for anything other than straight sharing of and linking to facts.

This thread is the place for that discussion, with some important ground rules:

-facts are king here, and published information from health authorities and medical professionals is taken seriously in that regard. This is neither the time nor place for folks looking to make their mark with conspiracy theories!

-posts in this thread should not in any way, shape or form be seen as a substitute for medical advice. The best advice in response to questions is that which directs people to published facts from reputable sources or where most appropriate to those within our medical system who have the expertise to answer based on your own unique situation.

-a suspected case by a poster should not be seen as a presumptive or actual case unless verified by proper medical personnel. Details on confirmed cases in the province can be found at the provincial link above.
Thank you for your understanding and cooperation in ensuring that we have constructive, facts-based discussion on this critical topic
ram1952
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ram1952
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REALITY CHECK
4/6/2020 at 8:39 AM

If this Pandemic lasts 18-24 months like Doug Ford, Premier of Ontario states, then the majority of businesses in this Province will be in a Bankrupt situation and remain closed. Businesses that do manage to survive will no doubt scale back their labor force in order to continue operations. This means that at least 60% if not more of the individuals that have been laid off will be permanently unemployed. By that time Pandemic Benefits and EI Benefits will have run out and Welfare Benefits will be scaled back to bare bones in order to help pay down the high deficit incurred due to the current crisis. Because of no work people will lose their homes, vehicles, livelihood and way of life. A little inconvience now will mean substancial gain as the crisis will be over sooner. That means staying home, only one person per household shopping once or twice a month, and keeping your distance Remember the longer this Pandemic continues the more businesses will not re-open and the more laid off workers will become permanently unemployed.
Johnbisonbear
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Johnbisonbear
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you are right there Farmergeorge
4/6/2020 at 8:44 AM

Farmergeorge said "Is what full lockdown means . We would not be able to purchase such items easily. We would have to make do until restrictions are lifted. Further restriction in Manitoba is inevitable and so is rationing. Our previous way of life is now going to change for a very long time.

Edited by Farmergeorge, 2020-04-06 06:29:23"
things are going to be buggered up for a long time.
But how can a person keep their perishables at a safe consistent temperature without a fridge?
Same as if your furnace stopped or the water tank. Someone is still going to come to your home and replace the unit.
Have you listened to the provincial bulletins at 1pm daily? Although the doctor tells us to stay home as much as possible he does say that people still need to consult with their doctors regarding any health concerns they may have. Common sense. I would hate for a person to think they cannot not get medical advice. Phone consults can work fine but not in all cases.
bigmoe
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bigmoe
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asymptomatic cases
4/6/2020 at 1:33 PM

I read this morning that in China where they have been doing a lot of testing they are finding people testing positive who have no symptoms of illness. I know we have heard that people can be contagious for a short period before experiencing symptoms but this certainly helps to explain how quickly it can grab hold and spread and only reinforces the importance of following all recommendations.
nicemoustache
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nicemoustache
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Manitoba
4/6/2020 at 1:35 PM

Heading in the right direction. On April 1st we were at 127 on the covid count. On the 2nd we added 40 more -167. On the 3rd we added 15 - 182. On the 4th - 12 for a total of 194. Yesterday 9 - 203 and today, April 6, only 1 for a total of 204. Tomorrow....0? Do your part.
vegimite
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vegimite
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Location
4/6/2020 at 1:52 PM

One of the problems with giving a more specific location is that for some folks, whose lift may not go to the top, it will encourage mindless acts of vandalism or worse.
Check the BBC news for the idiots who are still going on 100 mile round trips to buy a loaf of bread and when stopped used the excuse it was cheaper. There were many similar reports.
We will get to enjoy the summer quicker if we all stay away from each other as much as possible.
In the time it took me to write my reply in the other thread, Adam had closed it so assuming it will not be seen there I have reposted here.
ps. My thanks to Adam for maintaining a good flow of information. It is Appreciated.
rubyred
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masks
4/6/2020 at 3:54 PM

thoughts about making your own mask .
HammerHead
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HammerHead
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Doug Ford lol
4/6/2020 at 4:02 PM

Taking anything seriously from that guy is a mistake.
Adam

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Adam
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Thread
4/6/2020 at 8:13 PM

Have closed "part 2" in the ongoing COVID-19 discussion. Please continue in this new "part 2" thread. You can review how we got here in part 2 at:
https://ebrandon.ca/messagethread.aspx?message_id=1050629&cat_id=14&startnum=181
Abbysmum
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Abbysmum
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farmergeorge
4/6/2020 at 10:58 PM

Johnbisonbear said "things are going to be buggered up for a long time.
But how can a person keep their perishables at a safe consistent temperature without a fridge?
Same as if your furnace stopped or the water tank. Someone is still going to come to your home and replace the unit.
Have you listened to the provincial bulletins at 1pm daily? Although the doctor tells us to stay home as much as possible he does say that people still need to consult with their doctors regarding any health concerns they may have. Common sense. I would hate for a person to think they cannot not get medical advice. Phone consults can work fine but not in all cases. "
John, I'm quoting you because you're saying some of what I want to say to farmergeorge from the previous thread.

I get that life is different. I'm embracing it actually, because I know it's necessary. We're not finding it a particular hardship, but there's quirks that we've having a hard time finding work-arounds.

You also have to realize that there are necessities beyond roof-food-medicine. I have to keep my kids in at least some clothes. I repaired my oldest son's pants - again - although at this point I should probably just cut them off and hem them they're flood pants anyway and the knees are so gone there's nothing left for the patch to hold on to. I measured them today - they have all grown between 1.5 & 2 inches since January. I expect none of their shoes will fit. Thankfully we're pretty much just hanging out in the yard, but they still need footwear. These are not wants, but needs.

I need to buy at least some basic school supplies. All their stuff from the fall is trapped at school. I have an obligation to continue their education the best I can with their teacher's guidance, but I don't have duplicates of all those items - thankfully we've been making do so far.

I agree with the lockdown, but I'm also feeling a little panicky about the restrictions getting tighter and tighter. Things that I deem a "necessity", like hardware stores, are getting closed down in Ontario. I'm not doing a renovation, but what if I need to do a critical repair?

That being said, the Chamois car wash in Winnipeg shut down on April 1st as it's not an "essential business", but it's planning on reopening next Monday for exterior washes and full detailing only. Car washes do NOT rank particularly high on my "essential" list.
curlysister
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curlysister
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masks
4/6/2020 at 11:00 PM

Dr Tam states that non-medical masks may be helpful in helping prevent a person from spreading Covid to others. They will not prevent you from getting it from other people.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/non-medical-masks-covid-19-spread-1.5523321?fbclid=IwAR3mDb5ZWow1TYVRJA8qXBYnyhLuC27jzaAGZIbRUW8TuRueSOIMcN2i4lo

Personally, I would encourage anyone considering one to do a bit of research, so that it is used properly. We still need to follow all the guidelines for staying home, washing our hands, not touching our face, and social distancing.
Johnbisonbear
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Johnbisonbear
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i would rather take
4/6/2020 at 11:11 PM

curlysister said "Dr Tam states that non-medical masks may be helpful in helping prevent a person from spreading Covid to others. They will not prevent you from getting it from other people.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/non-medical-masks-covid-19-spread-1.5523321?fbclid=IwAR3mDb5ZWow1TYVRJA8qXBYnyhLuC27jzaAGZIbRUW8TuRueSOIMcN2i4lo

Personally, I would encourage anyone considering one to do a bit of research, so that it is used properly. We still need to follow all the guidelines for staying home, washing our hands, not touching our face, and social distancing. "
advice from our provincial gov't. It wasn't too many weeks ago that Dr. yam was telling us 'just wash your hands'. I think the Feds dropped the ball on this one.
Dr Roussin seems quite knowledgeable with his medical advice so I will listen to him.

And please people, stay home and isolate this Easter weekend, I know it will be hard but we really need to stay away from friends and family that we don't live with.
This is the one thing I am terrified about (gatherings at Easter), you want to see the numbers skyrocket? I sure don't!
Farmergeorge
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Farmergeorge
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I
4/6/2020 at 11:40 PM

Know that it is hard but if there are further restrictions on movement or types of businesses that can be open then there may be no choice but to manage without certain product for a time. These times are a new reality that I never thought nor never hoped to live through although I am in the lucky position that I can still work so my mind is occupied on the family farm rather then worrying and I am capable of performing most repairs in our house , I usually do it anyway. Having said that my wife is now out of work which is a new experience for her and not a position that she expected to be in but she seems to be embracing being at home quite well. We have a lot to be grateful for. However there are people that are much worse off then us and it is those less fortunate , the sick ,the medical and emergency staff and those working to provide essential services that we are thinking of and praying for. The sacrifices that my family are making right now are a small price to pay if we can help to halt this virus and prevent the suffering of others. Please stay at home whenever possible and take care everyone.

Edited by Farmergeorge, 2020-04-06 23:48:28
Abbysmum
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masks
4/6/2020 at 11:53 PM

Johnbisonbear said "advice from our provincial gov't. It wasn't too many weeks ago that Dr. yam was telling us 'just wash your hands'. I think the Feds dropped the ball on this one.
Dr Roussin seems quite knowledgeable with his medical advice so I will listen to him.

And please people, stay home and isolate this Easter weekend, I know it will be hard but we really need to stay away from friends and family that we don't live with.
This is the one thing I am terrified about (gatherings at Easter), you want to see the numbers skyrocket? I sure don't! "
Dr. Roussin is also now saying masks could be helpful, although he's stressing it's not a replacement for distancing and hand washing.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/covid-19-daily-update-monday-1.5523344

But I agree, we should have had masks recommended weeks ago. They were saying today that places where masking is done has roughly 1/2 the infection rate of non-masked places.

It doesn't necessarily help you not contract it, but it reduces the risk of spreading it if you're asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic. Which, as it turns out, is where a lot of the spread seems to come from.
Bran
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Bran
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School and school taxes
4/7/2020 at 8:07 AM

Has there been any talk about getting some school tax back? The schools are just sitting and we are home schooling now. I wish we could have grabbed all our school supplies before we left. Even our indoor shoes, etc.
Jellybean
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......
4/7/2020 at 8:12 AM

We had our kids make sure they had brought their indoor shoes and gym clothing home. I had a feeling it would be longer than the three weeks so didn’t want to leave that kind of stuff at the school. Their teachers said if we need any of their other school supplies we can pick them up during the school day.
Farmergeorge
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Farmergeorge
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Well
4/7/2020 at 9:08 AM

Bran said "Has there been any talk about getting some school tax back? The schools are just sitting and we are home schooling now. I wish we could have grabbed all our school supplies before we left. Even our indoor shoes, etc. "
I doubt that you will see any school tax back nor should you expect any, there are still ongoing maintenance, upkeep and administration costs and the teachers are still working to provide education at distance.
Nor
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Nor
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Covid 19
4/7/2020 at 1:26 PM

Why can we not be told where in PMH this is occurring. I think if people were told a number of cases in Brandon or other cities and towns people would take this more serious
curlysister
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curlysister
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NOR
4/7/2020 at 1:37 PM

Privacy laws. The province will not release locations other than health authorities outside of Winnipeg.
People need to take it seriously and presume it is everywhere.
voiceofthepeople
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voiceofthepeople
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Brandon City Layoffs
4/7/2020 at 3:51 PM

I see some cities are laying off some staff to pass the savings on to the taxpayers and make up for lost revenues. Just wondering if people think this is something City of Brandon should consider?
petrichor
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petrichor
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.
4/7/2020 at 5:15 PM

i'm highly disappointed at some of the shops and businesses around town that are extending their hours again, puts the workers an customers in danger for longer shifts for no real reason. same with some of the larger businesses that aren't enforcing distancing and customer limits either
justme
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justme
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Home Care Workers
4/7/2020 at 6:23 PM

From what I hear they are given one protective equipment. They are given a small hand sanitizer and are made to feel guilty if they ask for more. Gloves are limited too. This is only to be used when they are with COVID-19 patient. Some of these workers seen over 20 clients in a day. They should be protected in case someone has Covid or is in contact with someone who has covid. It scares me that there are over 100 workers out there running around with no protection in our communities. This puts them and their families at great risk. It also puts your family at great risk and your community. But hats off to those brave souls that are out there just to ensure our vulnerable citizens are getting care. Too bad they have to play Russian roulette with their clients and their own families.
The regional health authority’s need to be accountable to all of them.
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.
4/7/2020 at 7:05 PM

justme said "From what I hear they are given one protective equipment. They are given a small hand sanitizer and are made to feel guilty if they ask for more. Gloves are limited too. This is only to be used when they are with COVID-19 patient. Some of these workers seen over 20 clients in a day. They should be protected in case someone has Covid or is in contact with someone who has covid. It scares me that there are over 100 workers out there running around with no protection in our communities. This puts them and their families at great risk. It also puts your family at great risk and your community. But hats off to those brave souls that are out there just to ensure our vulnerable citizens are getting care. Too bad they have to play Russian roulette with their clients and their own families.
The regional health authority’s need to be accountable to all of them. "
I’m a home care worker.
I have received NO hand sanitizer, no masks, no extra anything. We have run out of gloves on multiple occasions and are limited to reusing our same gloves as we are only being given so many per shift. It’s a total joke. I’ve resorted to having to bring my own gloves from home.
Summergal15
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Summergal15
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Not getting it
4/8/2020 at 2:40 PM

Anyone else have family that dont want to listen to the corona social distancing guidelines? Thinks it's not serious in Brandon, makes me sad.
Bran
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Bran
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Walking through people talking
4/8/2020 at 3:50 PM

The video above re: microdroplet transmission has further opened my eyes to the importance of social distancing. Other day at the store I didn’t want to but had to walk though two people taking. Was the only way through an area and I’d waited a bit already hoping they’d move on. Obviously walking through I was in range of droplets even if they weren’t. And even at stores some staff directing lines and such are speaking way to close to colleagues and customers. Should really assume no one is safe. From my weekly trips to the store social distancing needs a lot of work still

Edited by Bran, 2020-04-08 15:55:37
VTB
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VTB
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Why?
4/9/2020 at 3:51 PM

What does it take to get people to take this seriously?

Was at Canadian tire for an order pick up (and yes it was for necessary items), stopped at one of the 4 hand washing stations and as I did my duty noticed that I was the only one. At least a dozen walked right past.

One fellow even gave a chuckle and asked if I really though that was going to do any good! I answered yes, and got another chuckle from him as he strolled into the store.

And this is why 10's of thousands are going to die across Canada.
JethroButters
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JethroButters
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Walmart
4/9/2020 at 4:00 PM

VTB said "What does it take to get people to take this seriously?

Was at Canadian tire for an order pick up (and yes it was for necessary items), stopped at one of the 4 hand washing stations and as I did my duty noticed that I was the only one. At least a dozen walked right past.

One fellow even gave a chuckle and asked if I really though that was going to do any good! I answered yes, and got another chuckle from him as he strolled into the store.

And this is why 10's of thousands are going to die across Canada. "
has a ton of bright colored signs saying only one adult per family, someone at the door to make sure rules are followed, and yet still have TONS of couples going in. Sometimes more than 2. They crowd the aisles grouped together and nobody can get past them without close contact. I wish they would reinforce their own rules.
Also, if you have a cart, please do not park it sideways in the middle of the aisle while you browse for what you want. That's not just pandemic rules, but for always.
Mr211
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Mr211
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air lines re-call workers
4/9/2020 at 9:41 PM

with travel restricted from province to province why are airlines calling back workers ???
JustASoul
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JustASoul
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Well
4/9/2020 at 10:57 PM

Mr211 said "with travel restricted from province to province why are airlines calling back workers ??? "
The Federal Gov. introduced a 75% wage subsidy to companies so that they could keep their staff on the payroll. The airline employees are not going back to work. They are being rehired to keep them on the payroll. This serves 2 purposes. First, it will be an easier process when work starts again. Second, It eases the burden significantly on the EI system.
Adam

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Adam
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Brandon Hills
4/10/2020 at 3:03 PM

Brandon Hills this afternoon. Wide area with many many kms of trails within, but we turned around and found another spot... prob the most cars I’ve seen anywhere other than a grocery store in the last month!

Edited by Adam, 2020-04-10 15:07:22