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was driving by the1st river park and noticed 3or4 campers all set up for a overnight stay, but i beleive there is a sign posted right there saying no camping, should this be enforced or what do you think?  
 
Edited by al , 2023-07-11 22:15:35

If you find this so troubling that you need advice of others you should call authorities now and put your active mind to bed!

iu think i will call the bylaw enforcement office and releive them of their duties, look at all the money we could be saving in favor of allowing any who wishes to set up camp down by the river, why not, there are certainly a lot of people who dont like to follow the rules of majority, or laws period

Are they causing trouble? If they are keeping clean and not causing an issue, then why bother wrecking it for them? If it gets out of hand, I’m sure the police will deal with it. They drive by that area all the time. I haven’t seen any signs but haven’t been looking either.

People can not set up campers wherever they wish. It is not how the space is intended to be used. It is a shared community space, not a commercial space for public camping.  
 
There are great campgrounds nearby such as Turtle Crossing, the Sioux Valley campground formerly the Grandvalley park, Souris, and Rivers. Even the Wal*Mart parking lot is more appropriate than a city park.  
 
It really doesn't matter if these people "aren't causing problems", the fact they are camping in a public space is indeed a problem.

Are we talking actual RV campers or people that are camping in a tent?  
 
I’m more of the, “leave people be if they’re not being disrespectful” type. If they’re tenting, there’s a good chance they are homeless, which is an issue in itself though

wondering what would happen if an assault or whatever took place there ,who is responsible for their wellbeing , us the city taxpayers, dont think so /

The world is falling apart and this is what people need to complain about??? If they aren't causing any issues let them be.

I’m thinking that more of us are going to be living in tents before the year (or two) is up. It’s getting pretty nuts out here!!

Actually no.  
If people camp where they are not supposed to then they are the ones being disrespectful to everybody else.  
If this kind of behaviour is allowed to continue it will soon turn into massive gypsy encampment compounds such as those that spring up on private and public land in the UK. Once those camps become established the police refuse to enter for fear of their own life and the authorities seem to have little power or willingness to get them moved leaving the local residents to put up with them and the crime wave that ensues. Camp grounds are for camping unless you have the landowners permission to be there.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the UK has Right to Roam rules, don't they? Does that apply to encampment or just walking etc?  
 
In Canada, we do actually have the ability to access and camp on Crown Land, except where prohibited. That prohibition i:ncludes most city, provincial and national parks (except where explicitly allowed), and can different from province to province. In Manitoba, it's frowned upon except is designated areas. But Alberta? Apparently it's a thing to just go camp wherever you want.  
 
I know this doesn't fully apply to the OPs concerns, but it's important to note that sometimes it's permissible to just... camp. Wherever (Canada is roughly 90% Crown land).  
 
But not in city parks lol.

Ah the misguided UK right to roam legislation, the legality of which is questionable. For walking only and does not allow people to camp wherever they wish.  
If you had experienced the effects of illegal encampments and their occupants, the garbage left plus the crime that follows you would agree that such behaviour needs to be controlled and camping confined to designated areas, of which there are many here in Canada.  
Also as a lessee of crown land in Canada there is nothing in my lease that allows for camping to take place, there is provision for access though, just signed a brand new lease.  
 
Edited by Farmergeorge, 2023-07-12 22:01:52

Leave them be. I doubt any issues would arise, if they do...then they can be dealt with. A real none issue here. I would join them, as I have been in that interim place with no where to live.

Call a spade a spade. They are freeloaders , skimming off the rest of society and they should be removed or relocated to camp in an area where they pay for privilege to be there  
Our family has been the victims of people illegally camping on private property and I have no sympathy nor make any provision for such people.

......driving in a stolen car but not causing issues, should that be leave it be too? There are rules for people to follow for a reason, it's no wonder everyone thinks they can just do as they please. ........

Driving a stolen car has obvious risks and could be dangerous to many. Not going to end well when the cops are called  
 
A couple spending a night in their van or camper at a park camping, pretty low risk of being a disturbance. If it does become one, it’s (hopefully) easier to handle when cops are called and they are asked to move on. I believe you can park overnight at Walmart right?  
 
If it becomes an issue, then by-law can address it then and ticket firmly again and it will spread that it’s not allowed.  
 
I get it. Rules are rules. One for all and all for one. Treat everyone the same…….However, I think in the grand scheme of things, if there was no obvious issue or disturbance, I would ask myself, “is this a good use of the police resources right now?” If they’re minding their own business, then I say live life and make those memories!

there are no signs saying no overnight camping. Then doing a search of the City of Brandon, I find nothing about overnight camping being prohibited in city parks. So if there are no signage at the park entrance saying no overnight camping, then what the are doing isn't illegal. Which would be why police never told them to leave.

Amen Trevor.  
Now all you who are quick to stick your noses in others enjoyment of living life can just go find something useful to do with your time. Maybe you live in glass houses.

Did any of you realize there was Search and Rescue Training going on at Dinsdale around that time .

Laws don’t need to be posted for it to be understood that it is illegal.

In this case it would be implied that it is OK

Is that actually how it works?  
 
Edited by SK19, 2023-07-13 12:24:26

We are talking about overnight camp not extended.  
As an aside , did you know that many times there are people staying in their campers on residential streets.  
Do you want someone to go and tell them to get out of there or else.  
Like someone else posted 'there are great issues that are happening and you all want to spoil their enjoyment of life.  
Next time I see you eating something in a Grocery Store parking lot should I come over and tell you there are restaurants near by that you should go to.  
What about going to the washroom in a business that you are not intending on buying anything at. Why don't you just pee in acup and take it home with you and dump it in your toilet.  
Come on people Get a Life .  
Seems like some of you don't do much actual work, how can you ? You are on here so often

How come you edited most of your post? Did you realize that it was kind of silly, wanting to set up your camper at Rideau or Coranation Park for the summer and inviting all your friends over to party.

......full time too, I just feel todays generations feel that if nothing is said they can do as they want, see it all the time.........

likely visitors from another province where maybe it is common for there to be signage that says no overnight camping at parks. Since Dinsdale has no signage saying no camping, park hours or anything else. I'm not going to expect them to look through every bylaw for every place they visit, I don't. And seeing no police or security never told them they couldn't and had to leave, they had no issues.  
 
They were in a fifth-wheel, looks like they had kids, they look like they enjoyed their stay. They then continued their journey. They weren't harming anyone. I take issue with people calling police to harass people who are just minding their own business and doing nothing wrong. That is becoming a bad issue, more than people enjoying camping and exploring the country.

The onus is on the public to check that their land use/ camping etc is permissible . That is their responsibility and by doing so they show respect to others.  
Without this it will become a free for all with people camping, walking,ATVing, etc etc wherever they please. I bet if you set up a camper on their lawn or local green space without permission they would have something to say about it.  
There are lots of available camp grounds at reasonable pricing, that’s where they should set up camp unless they know proper regulations of the area they are in or seek permission to camp from landowners.