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It absolutely sickens me the amount of free animals online right now. And the amounts of adoptive in shelters. Are people just to god damn cheap to get this done? Maybe you shouldn''t own animals then. Are you to lazy to have to watch them for a couple days after?! Just to arrogant?! So many unwanted animals... people can only take so many into their homes who actually want and care for animals! So stop being so stupid, cheap, lazy and get your puppies and kittens fixed when it''s time or don''t get any!  
 
People just disgust me. Take responsibility for owning a pet.  
 
Edited by Someday.., 2016-12-11 21:31:53

As Someone who works with several rescues (fostering and some admin duties) i agree to a point. While it is extremely important to spay and neuter, it is also as equally important to educate people. I also think brandon needs a low cost spay or neuter program. Unfortunatly not everyone sees the sad reality of it. They dont see the puppies and kittens outside freezing to death in our fridged weather. Or all the ones we helped bring in from the cold. Sometimes all we can do is make them comfortable and give them somewhere where they are comfy and loved to move on to thw next life. I think if more volenteered for these rescues and seen all that we see they would want to spay and neuter more.

Someday.. said "It absolutely sickens me the amount of free animals online right now. And the amounts of adoptive in shelters. Are people just to god damn cheap to get this done? Maybe you shouldn''t own animals then. Are you to lazy to have to watch them for a couple days after?! Just to arrogant?! So many unwanted animals... people can only take so many into their homes who actually want and care for animals! So stop being so stupid, cheap, lazy and get your puppies and kittens fixed when it''s time or don''t get any!     People just disgust me. Take responsibility for owning a pet.     Edited by Someday.., 2016-12-11 21:31:53"

There is more to being a responsible pet owner than getting your pet fixed. Many pets are just returned. Your comments were very narrow minded and judgmental. I have a male boxer who is one year old and will be fixed when I am ready not you. Clean up your language next post.

smarten up and be responsible enough not to add to the pet population. People need to stop and think of how much work an animal is. Not to get a pet cause it's cute then decide it's not for them a week/month/year later. Animals have to suffer because of it. People don't think.  
 
You guys see it as narrow minded and judgmental... yeah ok maybe it is. But take responsibility. I'm sick of all the animals just thrown aside.

kaylagurl21 said "As Someone who works with several rescues (fostering and some admin duties) i agree to a point. While it is extremely important to spay and neuter, it is also as equally important to educate people. I also think brandon needs a low cost spay or neuter program. Unfortunatly not everyone sees the sad reality of it. They dont see the puppies and kittens outside freezing to death in our fridged weather. Or all the ones we helped bring in from the cold. Sometimes all we can do is make them comfortable and give them somewhere where they are comfy and loved to move on to thw next life. I think if more volenteered for these rescues and seen all that we see they would want to spay and neuter more. "

educate them ?its common sense to spay & neuter & be responsible .

Is it just me or has anyone else noticed it's that time of year that there's a spike in dogs/cats looking for new homes? I seem to notice the trend every year for whatever reason.

A Weathered Heart said "    Rue said "    kaylagurl21 said "As Someone who works with several rescues (fostering and some admin duties) i agree to a point. While it is extremely important to spay and neuter, it is also as equally important to educate people. I also think brandon needs a low cost spay or neuter program. Unfortunatly not everyone sees the sad reality of it. They dont see the puppies and kittens outside freezing to death in our fridged weather. Or all the ones we helped bring in from the cold. Sometimes all we can do is make them comfortable and give them somewhere where they are comfy and loved to move on to thw next life. I think if more volenteered for these rescues and seen all that we see they would want to spay and neuter more. " educate them ?its common sense to spay & neuter & be responsible . " And we all know common sense isn't actually that common. "

people are suppose to be so smart (JOKE)

Its not though. You would not believe how many people dont know the importance of spay and nueter.  
You would also think "commen sence" to not declaw your cats, it doesnt mean people still dont do it. Amputating your cats toes to save your furiniture is wrong.  
On that same note, pets are expensive. We really do need more then one spay or neuter day a year. Especially with how many cats and kittens are in rescue.  
I also think If it was more affordable it would get done more.  
My cat got fixed and shots ect in their first year of life it costs on avarage 400$ each at the vet. Thats not including if you have an emergency.  
Our other cat didnt get fixed until she was 1 and a half allthough it wasnt due to money. She got really sick and had a blood eating parasite and needed a blood transfusion.  
So many different circumstances. I dont believe its because evwryone is irresponsible.  
 
Edited by kaylagurl21, 2016-12-12 09:48:40

My ideas and they could be wrong, but when it comes to animals or pets many decisions are made because of financial reasons, we see all sorts of discussions about everything when it comes to pets, and far to often I read the thought that if you can't afford a pet then you shouldn't have one, and this thought leads to discussion of even proper feeding of pets, or the proper way to winter your pet, and most of it leads to people being very judgemental. I have heard people say that their pet is part of the family, and yet when faced with costs of maintaining the life or health of their pet they decide it is best to put the pet down. Like said in some of the other posts, no one knows what circumstance bring animals and people together, a person may be able to save the life of an animal and feed it and yet the cost of getting the pet fixed may be beyond the persons means, so would it have been better to not save the animal in the first place.  
One thing I have learned from trying to save animals is that playing God is a very difficult thing to do, and no matter how hard you try you can't save them all, which means some will have to die, but a sobering fact is that where there is life, there is also death, and that applies to not only animals but humans as well.  
This might be off topic but, look around the world, every day 20,000 children die, or 3.1 million children under the age of five die every year, so when one insults other about being cheap or lazy or anything else, ask yourself what you are doing about this problem.  
I live with the idea that every person is an individual, and most people do the best that they can, but I also live with the understanding that where there is life there is death, and if I have a concern I should do what I can to help.  
I have watched quite a few programs lately where some vet clinics do their best to make fixing animals affordable, if not free.  
Every time something like this comes up,people seem to see only one problem, whereas I see two.

Great post, Don.  
Is the problem just the free animals? So called pure animals that cost hundreds are only affordable if you are rich.  
Is the OP suggesting low income kids should never have pets? Should a low income single person not be allowed to have a pet to greet them when they get home! ... and so on..  
 
Vets do give discounts, I know a man that runs a cat rescue and gets a huge discount.  
Should vets pay the entire amount, no.  
 
If you are very serious about this, try starting a program that supports free or low cost operations.  
 
Edited by loeog, 2016-12-12 16:40:24

WHY offer free or low cost program?? Actually a program should be offer to people to learn manage their money and to learn from young age that if you spend more than you can earn you will fall in the hole and you spend only what you can afford at the time instead of spend irresponsible then expect from responsible people to pay or give stuff or offer free thing to them.  
I don't think it is so much fair let people in the medium average money to pay for the low people meaning by this those who keep spending and don't learn because to go to free or low program.  
So to go back to pets if you have low income and cannot afford a pet that means do not get a pet because that will involve food cost and vet cost later and much later you will want the pet cremated that you cannot afford and again expect others to pay for you. Teach a child you cannot afford a pet or if we do get a pet it may mean do some sacrifice on other spending.  
How I see it is you do not get a cadillac if can't afford it's that simple.

So lets deprive low income family kids of the joy of owning a pet..bad enough the cost of participating in sports is sky rocketing and many families cannot afford to give their kids a chance to learn comradery and teammanship.Lets take everything away from them.People tend to confuse low income with irresponsibilility.  
 
Kudos to those who offer a low cost spay program..but there are still those out there who charge way too much which makes one think they are not really concerned with the amount of abandoned animals that are out there.It always confused me why one vet would charge $75 and the other $150 for the exact same procedure.Or why cremation at one is $220 and another it is $70 (not a mass cremation either.)Just comes down to the almighty dollar..and not the welfare or care of a animal.  
 
In my younger,poorer days I always had a pet..and I could afford them..get them fixed..take them to a vet.But today,that privilege seems to be only affordable by the well off because of the increasing rising costs.Pets are big business now..for pet stores,petfood companies and vets..its so sad some children cannot and will not ever experience the joy of having a furry companion.  
 
Edited by zep, 2016-12-12 19:56:00

Most people having unwanted litters should stick to owning goldfish.  
 
People think they can get 100$ dog and then it's clear sailing. Wrong!!  
 
The city needs to get a breeding licence program in this city. If you can't get approved to be a breeder you get a huge fine and maybe get your animals taken away. Something needs to be done. Common sense is not prevailing.  
 
It's not a matter of having a free mutt or a 800$ purebread dog. But I do see many more free or 100$ dogs on classifieds then the more pricy registered dogs.  
 
If you barely have the means to afford a free or cheap dog, I doubt you have it in your budget for a simple spay/neuter.  
 
Until common sense can prevail, I believe firmly authorities must get involved for this to stop. And the city could get a pretty good revenue stream shutting down and fining these backyard breeders !!!

If it bother's you enough to post about it then why don't you do something about it.  
 
Shame on you for lumping the blame on low income families. I bet if you met someone in person that didn't spay/neuter their animal you'd have nothing to say.  
 
And why should a child be deprived of a companion just because their parents may not make a whole lot?  
 
Grow up and think before you post.

for one get tired of seeing posts-and they are everywhere-where someone has a cat that is deathly Ill or has been hit by a car or attacked by a dog and they ask what to do because they can't afford a vet visit. Or their dog is in the same sad situation. Sorry but if you do not have much money then at least set aside enough so you can afford to have a suffering pet put out of it's misery.  
 
Actually it isn't low income people-the OP did not use that term. there are wealthy people who are simply too CHEAP to spend money on vet care. Don't spay or neuter if you can keep your animals from breeding-but there is no excuse for raising mutt puppies or kittens just because you cannot be bothered to put some effort into your pet ownership. Given that I have spent a small fortune neutering and spaying stray cats-and I mean a fortune! - and that my dogs live without having puppies...yes, I am going to continue complaining about people who are too cheap, lazy and UNCARING to neuter and spay and even FEED their pets.  
Please note-I am far from wealthy and vet care IS an expense I cannot afford-yet i always manage it when I need to!

Just curious, how many animals get dropped off at your yard in a year, this i:ncludes pregnant females, bad tempered toms, and ones that no one wants anymore, would the number be greater than five. Animals that get dropped off at our yard get fed and have a place to stay warm, but I''m not going to spend money fixing a cat that''s not mine. As for the kitten problem, Mother Nature seem to look after that with disease problems, once again not something I''m going to spend money on since they are not my cats.  
Should also add that animals that do get sick and need to be put down, well that's taken care of as well, and it doesn't involve a vet.  
 
Edited by don brown, 2016-12-13 12:52:06

don brown said "Just curious, how many animals get dropped off at your yard in a year, this i:ncludes pregnant females, bad tempered toms, and ones that no one wants anymore, would the number be greater than five. Animals that get dropped off at our yard get fed and have a place to stay warm, but I''m not going to spend money fixing a cat that''s not mine. As for the kitten problem, Mother Nature seem to look after that with disease problems, once again not something I''m going to spend money on since they are not my cats.   Should also add that animals that do get sick and need to be put down, well that's taken care of as well, and it doesn't involve a vet.     Edited by don brown, 2016-12-13 12:52:06"

We used to live in an area and had many animals dropped off and I totally agree with you, it's not our responsibility to get these animals fixed. I have fed stays and have actually tried to trap toms to fix them but really that's not my responsibility.  
 
If the animal is sick in the country and its not ours then it gets put down, we spend enough on our own pets fixing them up after they get into fights with strays.

In the same situation here. We look after our own pets. All are fixed but most times that is the only time they ever see a vet.  
 
When we first moved to our house in the country we had a great deal of feral cats around, lots dropped off etc. some traps from the pound and now we seem to only have our own. Things have been fairly good lately with the odd stray coming by but they usually don't stick around long after our males get the best of them.

We've put down a few toms. They end up scrapping with our cats. My last vet bill after my one cats tail got infected from a bite was almost $200.

drop off numbers vary year to year. At one time we would get quite a few-4 or 5 ? In recent years-more like 1, 2 or 3. They come, they stay around for a little while, and they get spayed/neutered. I will not have kittens born here and leave them until they multiply themselves from 1 female to 30 kittens that eventually get diseased and die off. The cat is here a few days and it is then mine. To be honest I have neutered a couple cats that I knew were a neighbor's cats-a long time ago now. Trouble is, Toms do get to be aggressive to other cats. If they are to be around here they must be neutered; if they are too old to be non-fighting after neutering then they get put to sleep. I never tell people where I live-I cannot afford to encourage dropoffs that way!!

Someday.. said "It absolutely sickens me the amount of free animals online right now. And the amounts of adoptive in shelters. Are people just to god damn cheap to get this done? Maybe you shouldn''t own animals then. Are you to lazy to have to watch them for a couple days after?! Just to arrogant?! So many unwanted animals... people can only take so many into their homes who actually want and care for animals! So stop being so stupid, cheap, lazy and get your puppies and kittens fixed when it''s time or don''t get any!     People just disgust me. Take responsibility for owning a pet.     Edited by Someday.., 2016-12-11 21:31:53"

I am in agreement that people need to look after their pets. Spay or Neuter them and give them a home.  
 
But, seeing the ads on here is better than not putting any ad on at all and just dumping it somewhere.