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6 storey, 116 room hotel proposed for 18th/19th St

Adam

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6 storey, 116 room hotel proposed for 18th/19th St
9/27/2017 at 5:09 PM

Born out of another thread that this likely would've taken over.....
there is currently a proposal for a 6 storey 116 room hotel to be built on the site of the former Western Motel property. Via the link below, even though the address is shown as being 18th street the hotel would have access off of 19th and it looks like the hotel itself would also face 19th without direct access off of 18th. The application is said to be on behalf of P.R. Hotels, whose address is shown as a Saskatoon Holiday Inn. Just doing a quick Google and see that they are also associated with the Staybridge Suites brand, very possibly among others.

http://www.brandon.ca/images/pdf/planning/developmentapplications/conditionaluse/2017/13/Site_Design_Analysis_C-13-17-B_RS.pdf
burkejan
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Yes
9/27/2017 at 5:39 PM

That''s what I posted in the Shell gas thread.

Now they''re trying to buy extra space for parking lot. I know they've approached the owner of the little old strip mall where High voltage used to be

Edited by burkejan, 2017-09-27 17:43:32
Getty
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WOW
9/27/2017 at 6:35 PM

in order for Holiday inn to be built, they need to purchase the Robinson strip mall, would be the best idea.

IMO good for Holiday Inn, and get rid of the eye sore of a strip mall. But at the same time, we''re going to see a big building. Too bad Hakim building will stay in place.

Edited by Getty, 2017-09-27 18:37:12
amber&jeremy

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.
9/27/2017 at 6:46 PM

looking at that pdf file it looks like hakim and the stripmall are both shown in that pics
Adam

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Location
9/27/2017 at 7:04 PM

amber&jeremy said "looking at that pdf file it looks like hakim and the stripmall are both shown in that pics "

That's how I read it too (see page 31 of the link)
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Hakim
9/27/2017 at 9:10 PM

Will most likely NOT be moving as they actually purchased that building last year knowing the plans for that area.
Getty
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Getty
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Oh well
9/27/2017 at 9:49 PM

MBTONY said "Will most likely NOT be moving as they actually purchased that building last year knowing the plans for that area. "

Too bad... sure would be nice to spruce up the building.
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Parking spots.
9/27/2017 at 11:53 PM

They are proposing a variation to the parking spots required.
City of Brandon should not allow this!!!

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OMG

9/28/2017 at 6:47 AM

Hummerduck said "6 storeys? That's going to be a huge building just jutting out of the middle of that area... it'd be one thing if they had the space the CanadInn has, with lots of space around it, but having lived in an apartment directly behind that before, I can't see it being ideal for housing in the area. "

6 storeys high huge, and the Canad Inn is a skyscraper. LOL

Getty
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Getty

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not a big deal

9/28/2017 at 7:49 AM

Robert said "

Hummerduck said "6 storeys? That's going to be a huge building just jutting out of the middle of that area... it'd be one thing if they had the space the CanadInn has, with lots of space around it, but having lived in an apartment directly behind that before, I can't see it being ideal for housing in the area. "

6 storeys high huge, and the Canad Inn is a skyscraper. LOL "

and the "Skyscraper" in Brandon, is a condo in most cities.

It''s not going to be that huge building, and it is facing more towards 19th anyway.

Better than the current eye sore. Like I said, the robinson strip mall is an eye sore as well.

Edited by Getty, 2017-09-28 07:58:43

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Wow
9/28/2017 at 9:47 AM

I think that's great....a new hotel, that is up to date has been needed in Brandon for quite some time...can't wait

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Small minded small town mentality

9/28/2017 at 9:53 AM

Getty said "

Robert said "

Hummerduck said "6 storeys? That's going to be a huge building just jutting out of the middle of that area... it'd be one thing if they had the space the CanadInn has, with lots of space around it, but having lived in an apartment directly behind that before, I can't see it being ideal for housing in the area. "

6 storeys high huge, and the Canad Inn is a skyscraper. LOL "

and the "Skyscraper" in Brandon, is a condo in most cities.

It''s not going to be that huge building, and it is facing more towards 19th anyway.

Better than the current eye sore. Like I said, the robinson strip mall is an eye sore as well.

Edited by Getty, 2017-09-28 07:58:43"

I agree with Getty and a few others... It floors me how small minded Brandonites are. Get with it people, if you want the city to grow and prosper you need to accept these things as progress. Six floors a "skyscraper" REALLY OMG... Open your minds. Sorry to be blunt but look at the big picture folks!

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Shadowing
9/28/2017 at 10:10 AM

As far as height of building, the main consideration I can see for adding a building more than a couple stories high is any shadowing depending on the time of year. Page 7 of the link in the OP goes into that topic. Personally I don't see a lot from that perspective... main impact being on the building just to the North during winter.

The other thing that I see in the link that will be looked at is the proposal has a ratio of 0.9 parking spaces per room, compared to the zoning requirement of 1:1. They suggest an on-site overflow parking option for when the hotel is full which would bring the ratio up to 0.98:1.... though they make the case that the lot may never be full due to the nature of many expected guests (Keystone Centre). Considering all of this, if whoever has the strip mall to the West wants to sell to me I think that would be a fun one to take on negotiations for (just kidding of course, very possible they're perfectly happy with the building, have no want or need to change a thing and have leases in place)
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:)
9/28/2017 at 11:09 AM

i think its great but i dont understand why they would not want to front the hotel to the main street? i have seen a few towns allow that and impo i rather have all commercial buildings face the main street, but im assuming they have their reasons

as far as parking goes, i think that could be a concern for the residents that live near there full time, the city could ask the hotel to add underground parking but i assume the hotel would find that cost prohibitive

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prob

9/28/2017 at 12:12 PM

traveller said "i think its great but i dont understand why they would not want to front the hotel to the main street? i have seen a few towns allow that and impo i rather have all commercial buildings face the main street, but im assuming they have their reasons

as far as parking goes, i think that could be a concern for the residents that live near there full time, the city could ask the hotel to add underground parking but i assume the hotel would find that cost prohibitive "

well if they want it on 18th, they need to buy out the strip mall at least.

Would make sense to face 18th. But issue is space

Adam

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Sun
9/29/2017 at 8:05 AM

Stories by the Sun and Q at the links below. Sun story goes as far as referring to it as a proposed Holiday Inn Express. They managed to get quotes from the area councillor (Loregio) and Economic Development. Although it doesn't name the businesses, they indicate feedback from at least two of them didn't show initial opposition. The ones I'll be interested to learn feedback from at some point in the process are The Keystone Centre and perhaps Canad.
https://www.brandonsun.com/local/six-storey-holiday-inn-express-proposed-for-brandon-448594243.html

http://www.qcountryfm.ca/news-weather/news-sports-details/newsarticle/city-receives-application-for-new-hotel/

And another that also shares the basics of what's proposed: http://bdnmb.ca/is-brandon-poised-to-get-another-hotel/

Just wanted to pass along kudos to burkejan and The_Young_Man (from the other thread re Shell) ... this has become quite a big local story and you guys are where the news on it started and it has since picked up a lot of depth along the way. The Sun has said in their story they'll follow it through the process as the application is assessed. Between that, any other depth that other outlets contribute including perhaps the Journal and anything I learn myself I'll try to keep this thread updated!
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I like it...
9/29/2017 at 10:12 AM

This hotel could turn around the appearance of that part of Eighteenth street. Yes, the strip mall does look run down. But with the Holiday Inn proposal, the possibility of new tenants with new storefronts will bring life back into that structure. Or an savvy investor could buy-up that mall to build whatever? Maybe another Tim Hortons? (It's the perfect spot for one) Although I'm sad to hear that the Shell station at the end of the block is being pulled down (I use it regularly), the possibilities for that entire city block for change is endless. Not just that block, but for changes to improve the entire area. I always thought that end of town was just so disjointed and buggered up. Brandon Ave. up to 18th and the frontage of 18th and 19th street is finally starting to come together these last couple of years. And the Hotel will become an anchoring example of a modern contemporary display in commercial design & function. If the city did it's part with new curbs, sidewalks and smooth/rebuilt streets (especially Brandon Ave)... This could be a sweet looking part of the city to visit and live in.

But as mentioned by others, the parking variance is a troubling factor for me. Far too often our city "rubber stamps" these variances without looking further at the consequences of their hasty decisions just to collect additional tax revenue. Street parking always take the brunt of it. And that type of abuse by developers has to stop. That ratio of 0.9 spots per room is stupid for the city to allow. That means it's most likely that staff and overflow parking is sitting on 19th, Aagaard Ave. and probably 20th street. That's unacceptable and unfair for neighboring businesses, residents and patrons for the hotel. How many times do we as hotel users find ourselves without decent parking when we stay at a hotel? ...I myself, have been pi$$ed by horrible parking when lodging at many hotels. Poor design and lack of spots seem to be the norm. Some d!ck can't park properly or the hotel has no vacancy and someone is out of luck (usually the family that comes in later). With the Keystone Center being right there and whatever becomes of the strip mall, plus the "gong show" with those who park at the Keg... The last thing our city needs to do is "brush off" ten percent of the required parking for guests and have nothing set aside for hotel staff. The Holiday Inn has already dropped well over a million onto the property alone. It's not likely they're going to walk away if they don't get their parking variance. Balls out Mayor Chrest and city council! Don't bend over!

Just my opinion, I could be wrong.
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9/29/2017 at 10:37 AM

I find it comical that they think that 0.9 spots per guest will be enough. Sure, it will be more than lots of other cities require, but being across from the Keystone is a unique situation.

One of their argument apparently is that when they are at full capacity, it will most likely be because of something at the Keystone, and that many guests will leave their big trucks and trailers at the KC. I agree that they will park their trailers there, but the truck will go where they go.

Also, let's face it, a larger proportion of guests at this hotel WILL be driving trucks, not cars, and many of those trucks will not fit in the standard spots. They need at least a 1:1 ratio if not a little more... a truck with rear duals might need 1.23 spots just to fit.
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100 % agree
9/29/2017 at 1:10 PM

snowman5 said: "But as mentioned by others, the parking variance is a troubling factor for me. Far too often our city "rubber stamps" these variances without looking further at the consequences of their hasty decisions just to collect additional tax revenue. Street parking always take the brunt of it. And that type of abuse by developers has to stop."

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I've been at a number of city council meetings and Brandon and Area Planning meetings where this was the topic at hand. I've yet to see a Mayor or Councillor or any member of the administration give the problems that can arise from granting this kind of parking variance the consideration it is due. Even with people that have experienced the results of these variances giving their accounts of the resulting congestion and overcrowded street parking, the decision seems to get made based more on the basis of tax revenue to be generated rather than common sense and what really is good for the overall community.

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I agree

9/29/2017 at 4:48 PM

fargobob said "snowman5 said: "But as mentioned by others, the parking variance is a troubling factor for me. Far too often our city "rubber stamps" these variances without looking further at the consequences of their hasty decisions just to collect additional tax revenue. Street parking always take the brunt of it. And that type of abuse by developers has to stop."

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I've been at a number of city council meetings and Brandon and Area Planning meetings where this was the topic at hand. I've yet to see a Mayor or Councillor or any member of the administration give the problems that can arise from granting this kind of parking variance the consideration it is due. Even with people that have experienced the results of these variances giving their accounts of the resulting congestion and overcrowded street parking, the decision seems to get made based more on the basis of tax revenue to be generated rather than common sense and what really is good for the overall community. "

isnt that the way most thing go in Brandon, the Mayor and Councillors "pretend" to listen, and just do what they want anyway.

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Its up to the planning commission
9/29/2017 at 4:57 PM

Don't blame the Council to start with. Go to the Planning Commission when the variance is being debated and present your facts. The Council only hears appeals.
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Hearing
10/3/2017 at 11:26 AM

Just to add, public hearing on this will be two weeks from tomorrow... Oct 18 7pm at council chambers. Won’t be long before it’s known how well received the proposed development is
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strip mall
10/3/2017 at 2:44 PM

Should put a Liquor Mart in there to cater to the crowds when we have events
JRL
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Hotel approved
10/18/2017 at 11:00 PM

The Brandon Planning Commission held the public hearing tonight for this hotel proposal. Not one person was there to speak about all the concerns that were raised here. Not one letter was recieved by the planning department either. The Commission approved the development. This is a great place to discuss issues. Just don't start complaining on here if you can't be bothered to be part of the process.
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.
10/19/2017 at 6:50 AM

Don’t think there should be any issues. All residential in that area is apartments anyways. Good for Brandon, let them build it!
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so true JRL
10/19/2017 at 8:59 AM

Everyone is always complaining about things yet never do anything to help change it. Change is hard but it needs to start somewhere with someone.
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Awesome
10/19/2017 at 9:28 AM

That's great news. I for one am happy this city is trying to progress. And if no one showed up no one can complain about the "skyscraper" lol ... One step closer to getting that Costco
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This
10/19/2017 at 11:26 AM

is great news! It is nice to see Brandon develop into a progressive city.
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18th
10/19/2017 at 11:35 AM

Wow, between this and whatever's done with the Shell property 18th St as we know it is in for a big change! Unless I skimmed something too fast I haven't seen anything as far as timelines. I don't know a whole lot about what is and isn't realistic but I'm sure they'd love for it to be open by March 2019 for the curling!
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Demolition
8/19/2018 at 11:09 AM

Getting closer to bring the old Western down (pic attached). Haven’t read or heard much lately about proposed hotel and timelines?