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Do you believe in OB, witch craft I have always been interested in the OB never tried one . thoughts  
 
Would like to here from real people experiences of spirits etc.

When driving down the highway with your hands relaxed holding the steering wheel, move your head and look to a rightwards angle, your vehicle will also begin moving in that direction, even though you never consciously steered in that direction. This is called the Ideomotor effect/phenomenon, put simply it is just subconscious involuntary motor movements based on expectation.  
 
(One usually looks in the direction that they are about to turn, the subconscious is so used to this that it will begin turning the vehicle as a involuntary movement based on expectation, even when consciously not meaning to.)  
- with Ouiji Boards the expectation is to produce words, and the subconscious Ideomotor effect sees to it that this happens.  
 
Simply blindfold the Ouiji participants and all that will be produced is gibberish.

I suggest you search on the internet on people's experiences. Personally, I believe it is to be a portal to the unknown and I personally wouldn't flirt with it. It is not a harmless 'game'.

It might not be appropriate for me to share what happened with myself, a friend, and a Ouija Board on this forum except to say that Enfyre's explanation did not apply. I agree with what BlueAngel said. In my opinion, I would say, do not go near a Ouija board.

I think we can all handle a spook story, let's hear it.

Enfyre said "When driving down the highway with your hands relaxed holding the steering wheel, move your head and look to a rightwards angle, your vehicle will also begin moving in that direction, even though you never consciously steered in that direction. This is called the Ideomotor effect/phenomenon, put simply it is just subconscious involuntary motor movements based on expectation.     (One usually looks in the direction that they are about to turn, the subconscious is so used to this that it will begin turning the vehicle as a involuntary movement based on expectation, even when consciously not meaning to.)   - with Ouiji Boards the expectation is to produce words, and the subconscious Ideomotor effect sees to it that this happens.     Simply blindfold the Ouiji participants and all that will be produced is gibberish. "

Interesting theory. Have you ever tried it Enfyre?

Just like ghosts and all that "unknown" garbage. You're on something if you believe in it...

There's never ever been any hardcore proof of the afterlife EVER! Despite all the recording devices and technology. Fun, yes but usually nothing more then a hoax.

I have always questioned is there proof of a higher power,god, angels etc.  
 
If you go through all religions everyone has a different answer .

someones birthday party, and we were playing Ouija, and asking it questions, I was the sceptic in the group, so I suggested they ask it for the middle intials to my name. None of the group would have known as i was a bit of a newcomer.  
 
spooky as hell as the ouija board got both initials right and I was not touching it. just 5 or 6 other people.  
 
ever tried Reikie, same thing, it is a treatment that does not touch the body just the body's aura. it works.

It's of the occult. Leave it alone. Run away you are opening the door for the devil

Enfyre said "When driving down the highway with your hands relaxed holding the steering wheel, move your head and look to a rightwards angle, your vehicle will also begin moving in that direction, even though you never consciously steered in that direction. This is called the Ideomotor effect/phenomenon, put simply it is just subconscious involuntary motor movements based on expectation.     (One usually looks in the direction that they are about to turn, the subconscious is so used to this that it will begin turning the vehicle as a involuntary movement based on expectation, even when consciously not meaning to.)   - with Ouiji Boards the expectation is to produce words, and the subconscious Ideomotor effect sees to it that this happens.     Simply blindfold the Ouiji participants and all that will be produced is gibberish. "

Unless your vehicle pulls really bad to the left!!! In this case don't try it! lol I don't believe in it at all. No matter how much someone thinks they aren't controlling the board, it's impossible to truly disconnect your mind from subconsciously controlling the answer. And no matter what the answer is the board gives, you can alter it to make it fit the answer you were looking for. We used to mess around with one when we were kids, pretty sure we never conjured up the devil. It's purely for entertainment, nothing more.

You are absolutely correct. I won't go into all that happened during my incident with the Ouija Board because it is too unsettling and I don't want to be called names such as "crackhead". I will say that extenuating circumstances from that Ouija Board incident followed me for the next 40 years. I pray that I am finally free of it.

I don't recommend using one. I've used them several times throughout my life always with different people. Sometimes there were results that made sense, sometimes nothing. I've heard of some bad situations, though. Whether you believe in the other side or not, it's not worth the risk even if you follow all of the rules to make it "safe".

I tried it years ago, in grade 9, with a couple of friends. We went into my friend's basement with all the lights off (it was one of those cement floor scary basements) and lit candles, wiped the board with silk. We turned everything off on the main level of the house as well, except for stuff that runs automatically while plugged in. We tried contacting John Lennon and I don't remember if the ouija board spelled out anything significant but the television came on upstairs and was playing John Lennon's Imagine video quite loudly. One of the candles then went out and we ran upstairs and my friend's dad yelled from the top floor to turn the music down. It was very eerie and we were squealing the like 15 year old girls we were but we didn't touch it after that.

In science. Basic quantum theory( Yeah, I know it's just theory) explains the possibility of other dimensions. I believe that since energy doesn't "die", it just changes form, and makes an appearance in another dimension, which would explain what happens when we die. Also very possible why people who are inherently "evil" can pass on to another dimension and otherwise show up as bad spirits. So, in conclusion, don't mess with a ouji board. You don't know what door you will open, and you won't know how to close it.

The individual Human mind has expanded beyond the limits of any other Primate, and every other Mammal. But it still is unable to fully understand the natural world in any sort of grand detail, as it is still a finite organ with very finite capacity to see in clear full perspective. So we fill in the gaps in our knowledge with our grand imaginations.  
 
Instead of looking for rational explanations on natural phenomenon, we historically invoke the supernatural, both for the aforementioned reasons, and probably most importantly to ease our deep anxieties of our mortality and emotional longings for deceased loved ones, to provide the hope of seeing them again.  
 
Slowly over the centuries science has explained away these supernatural explanations of the natural world, no longer do we think that gods move celestial objects, or mental illness being demonic possession.  
Now we're down to the last holdouts, the few people clinging to what is easily explained as quirks of our subconscious as "Proof" of the supernatural.  
 
Belief and grasping at "proofs" in the supernatural I think for some people is a coping mechanism to get through the utter harsh realities of existence, and the quite possible ultimate meaningless of life. The subconscious is a powerful thing, capable of twisting fantasies into memories, fictions into what one believes as facts, to discard or ignore new knowledge if it conflicts with our conscious "comfort" beliefs.  
 
These subconscious defense mechanisms can lead a person to eventually completely believe their own lie or heavily garnished story if it eases their conscious anxieties.

Mr.BDS said "In science. Basic quantum theory( Yeah, I know it's just theory) explains the possibility of other dimensions. I believe that since energy doesn't "die", it just changes form, and makes an appearance in another dimension, which would explain what happens when we die. Also very possible why people who are inherently "evil" can pass on to another dimension and otherwise show up as bad spirits. So, in conclusion, don't mess with a ouji board. You don't know what door you will open, and you won't know how to close it. "

Well don't devalue quantum mechanics based on it being a "theory". There's a big difference between the definition of scientific theory and layman's theory. Basically it has two completely different meanings.  
 
In layman's use it's synonymous with a "hunch" and at very best with what science refers to as a hypothesis.  
 
In real usage it refers to a factual explanation on how something works, a body of knowledge. Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge, there's nothing above a theory.  
 
Remember Gravity is also a 'theory' so is the idea that germs can cause disease "germ theory" and many other obviously true things.  
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Yes, true, energy cannot be created nor destroyed, it just passes from one form to another.  
 
Problem with your suggestion is that it relies on the mystic concept of "duality", that the consciousness is somehow separate and its existence non-reliant on the physical brain and body.  
 
Problem with this is the consciousness is produced by the neurons in the brain which requires energy, its energy is supplied by the energy we obtain from food.  
The energy leaves the brain through thermodynamics into our natural world(and dimensions). It's not a closed system, upon death energy is no longer supplied to the brain and without energy consciousness fades away, and whatever residual energy was left dissipates as heat(into our world).  
 
The other issue is general anesthesia completely shuts down the brain, same as in death. If your idea was true, people waking up from surgery would have memories of passing to other dimensions and of spooking people through Ouiji boards, shaking bottles, flickering lights and other mischief.

Ouiga board smeegy board! As if they work!  
 
Edited by ichimung, 2017-07-12 18:50:51

Figuring out the purpose of life really isn't that hard, and it's not about you,me, any person, it's not about what comes after, and it not to great for the human mind to comprehend, life is not meaningless.