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gum booting it down a street I know I am going to stay the hell out of their way. I don't know why he is in a hurry but I know he is out there protecting and serving... us!

Shakenbake said "    loeog said "Police need to draw a fine line when it comes to protecting the citizen they serve.   These public servants are willing to protect both the haters and the people that respect the work they do.     This officer was probably responding to a citizen in need, if you think the officer acted in a dangerous way, report them.     Personally, I think the video proves the OP wasn't paying much attention. If the OP saw the car before they entered the intersection, they are suggesting they seen a speeding vehicle heading towards an intersection and decided to race it to the lane. " Are you okay in the head? The LAW has been quoted here numerous times. If you have a job to enforce the laws, then you obviously should know how to follow it. I obviously was paying attention due to the fact I was able to stop for a cop going in excess of 50km/h through a 3-way. There was no racing. The cop wasn't even in the frame of the video, and the video even shows how quickly the cop had moved down the street after I turned the corner. You can't seem to quote any law. This is the opposite of protecting citizens. It's public endangerment. "

It looks like the cop did a roll through at a stop sign and then sped up,  
 
Take a good look at the very start of the video. I see15 to 20 Kms max.  
 
 
As I said, if you feel it was a joy ride, report it.  
 
Edited by loeog, 2017-09-07 22:28:39

Johnbisonbear said "gum booting it down a street I know I am going to stay the hell out of their way. I don't know why he is in a hurry but I know he is out there protecting and serving... us! "

Then their lights should be on. As law states.

vehicle wasn't exactly booting it through the intersection. They are still required to proceed with caution through traffic control devices, especially when they don't have lights and sirens going.  
 
106(2) Subject to subsection (3), the driver of a vehicle to which subsection (1) applies shall not exercise the privileges granted under that subsection unless  
(a) the driver is sounding the horn or siren: and  
(b) if the vehicle is an emergency vehicle, it is equipped with lighting that complies with section 38.1 for that type of emergency vehicle and the lighting is illuminated.  
Application of subsection (2)  
106(3) Subsection (2) does not apply where compliance therewith  
(a) is unnecessary: or  
(b) would inhibit a driver in responding to an emergency or in apprehending an actual or suspected violator of the law:  
and the driver is proceeding with due regard for the safety of other persons using the highway.

loeog said "    Shakenbake said "    loeog said "Police need to draw a fine line when it comes to protecting the citizen they serve.   These public servants are willing to protect both the haters and the people that respect the work they do.     This officer was probably responding to a citizen in need, if you think the officer acted in a dangerous way, report them.     Personally, I think the video proves the OP wasn't paying much attention. If the OP saw the car before they entered the intersection, they are suggesting they seen a speeding vehicle heading towards an intersection and decided to race it to the lane. " Are you okay in the head? The LAW has been quoted here numerous times. If you have a job to enforce the laws, then you obviously should know how to follow it. I obviously was paying attention due to the fact I was able to stop for a cop going in excess of 50km/h through a 3-way. There was no racing. The cop wasn't even in the frame of the video, and the video even shows how quickly the cop had moved down the street after I turned the corner. You can't seem to quote any law. This is the opposite of protecting citizens. It's public endangerment. " It looks like the cop did a roll through at a stop sign and then sped up,     Take a good look at the very start of the video. I see15 to 20 Kms max.       As I said, if you feel it was a joy ride, report it.     Edited by loeog, 2017-09-07 22:28:39"

How in the world is that anything close to a "roll through". even if you're claiming it's 20km/h, that's far from a "roll through".

Shakenbake said "    Johnbisonbear said "gum booting it down a street I know I am going to stay the hell out of their way. I don't know why he is in a hurry but I know he is out there protecting and serving... us! " Then their lights should be on. As law states. "

Both written law and queens court rulings clearly would disagree with what your saying.

the view of the video doesn't show the police doing a roll through or even approaching the stop sign. You only see the police vehicle in the intersection when the OP is making his turn and stopping for the police SUV.

loeog said "    Shakenbake said "    Johnbisonbear said "gum booting it down a street I know I am going to stay the hell out of their way. I don't know why he is in a hurry but I know he is out there protecting and serving... us! " Then their lights should be on. As law states. " Both written law and queens court rulings clearly would disagree with what your saying. "

You're again, failing to provide reference to any law.

If the cop intentionally ran the stop sign, they sure put a lot of trust in the other driver that they were going to stop. Most people would of ran into the cop not even realizing the cop was there until it's too late.

Shakenbake said "    loeog said "    Shakenbake said "    loeog said "Police need to draw a fine line when it comes to protecting the citizen they serve.   These public servants are willing to protect both the haters and the people that respect the work they do.     This officer was probably responding to a citizen in need, if you think the officer acted in a dangerous way, report them.     Personally, I think the video proves the OP wasn't paying much attention. If the OP saw the car before they entered the intersection, they are suggesting they seen a speeding vehicle heading towards an intersection and decided to race it to the lane. " Are you okay in the head? The LAW has been quoted here numerous times. If you have a job to enforce the laws, then you obviously should know how to follow it. I obviously was paying attention due to the fact I was able to stop for a cop going in excess of 50km/h through a 3-way. There was no racing. The cop wasn't even in the frame of the video, and the video even shows how quickly the cop had moved down the street after I turned the corner. You can't seem to quote any law. This is the opposite of protecting citizens. It's public endangerment. " It looks like the cop did a roll through at a stop sign and then sped up,     Take a good look at the very start of the video. I see15 to 20 Kms max.       As I said, if you feel it was a joy ride, report it.     Edited by loeog, 2017-09-07 22:28:39" How in the world is that anything close to a "roll through". even if you're claiming it's 20km/h, that's far from a "roll through". "

This officer was only doing 15 to 20 Kms after driving all the way across the intersection, the fact that you didn''t see a police car slowly driving through an intersection is also an issue.  
 
From what I see, you just didn''t see the police vehicle until you almost ran into its rear bumper.  
 
To me, The video shows the officer was using care and caution in a effort to respond to a crime.  
 
Edited by loeog, 2017-09-07 22:43:02

loeog said "Police need to draw a fine line when it comes to protecting the citizen they serve.   These public servants are willing to protect both the haters and the people that respect the work they do.     This officer was probably responding to a citizen in need, if you think the officer acted in a dangerous way, report them.     Personally, I think the video proves the OP wasn't paying much attention. If the OP saw the car before they entered the intersection, they are suggesting they seen a speeding vehicle heading towards an intersection and decided to race it to the lane. "

In order to get to this "citizen in need" which is pure speculation. In your opinion it is quite ok to place the op in a dangerous situation. Since the op was already into the intersection and the officer was still approaching. The officer has all means to alert the op of his intent to not stop but that was not done. At what point should "common Sense" have prevailed here on the part of the officer.  
It is unfortunate that the very people we trust to uphold the laws are the very ones breaking them as pointed out in previous comments where policy had been ignored.

Like others have mentioned. The officer could have gotten a call and didn't want to spook the suspects so they went into "stealth" mode. The place they needed to get to, could have been less than a block away, and therefore putting on their sirens and lights may have spooked them. You don't know the full side of why the cop didn't stop, but clearly he was rushing it for a reason. If this person would have CAME TO A COMPLETE STOP for the full 3 seconds like you are suppose to do, and not just 1 second, this would have never happened. A whole second doesn't even give you time to safely look both ways, and make sure everyone else is stopping. If they took the 3 seconds instead of the 1 short second they could clearly see the cop was going fast and not slowing down, so common sense would tell you to just wait. More blame for them not making the complete stop. If you can see they are going faster than reasonable it just helps to stop and wait. Not that hard to determine if a vehicle is slowing down to a stop or speeding through. If you can avoid an accident just do it! Common sense really lacks now a days. You can't just blame someone else if your not following the law either. And honestly if this was any other vehicle doing this would you really take the time to post this? I highly doubt it. Just seeking a bit of attention it looks like.

loeog said "    Shakenbake said "    loeog said "    Shakenbake said "    loeog said "Police need to draw a fine line when it comes to protecting the citizen they serve.   These public servants are willing to protect both the haters and the people that respect the work they do.     This officer was probably responding to a citizen in need, if you think the officer acted in a dangerous way, report them.     Personally, I think the video proves the OP wasn't paying much attention. If the OP saw the car before they entered the intersection, they are suggesting they seen a speeding vehicle heading towards an intersection and decided to race it to the lane. " Are you okay in the head? The LAW has been quoted here numerous times. If you have a job to enforce the laws, then you obviously should know how to follow it. I obviously was paying attention due to the fact I was able to stop for a cop going in excess of 50km/h through a 3-way. There was no racing. The cop wasn't even in the frame of the video, and the video even shows how quickly the cop had moved down the street after I turned the corner. You can't seem to quote any law. This is the opposite of protecting citizens. It's public endangerment. " It looks like the cop did a roll through at a stop sign and then sped up,     Take a good look at the very start of the video. I see15 to 20 Kms max.       As I said, if you feel it was a joy ride, report it.     Edited by loeog, 2017-09-07 22:28:39" How in the world is that anything close to a "roll through". even if you're claiming it's 20km/h, that's far from a "roll through". " This officer was only doing 15 to 20 Kms after driving all the way across the intersection, the fact that you didn''t see a police car slowly driving through an intersection is also an issue.     From what I see, you just didn''t see the police vehicle until you almost ran into its rear bumper.     To me, The video shows the officer was using care and caution in a effort to respond to a crime.     Edited by loeog, 2017-09-07 22:43:02"

-Emergency vehicles  
When responding to an emergency call emergency  
vehicle drivers can exceed the posted speed limits or  
proceed past a red traffic control signal light or stop  
sign. They must, however, sound an audible signal  
bell or siren and show a flashing red or a combination  
of flashing red and blue lights.  
Emergency vehicle drivers must drive with regard for  
safety, and must consider the:  
• condition and use of the highway  
• amount of traffic that is on or may be expected  
on the highway  
• nature and use being made of the emergency  
vehicle at the time  
 
This officer was not following any written law. He carelessly drove through the intersection. I didn't nearly hit him. He nearly took me out because he broke the law and ran though a stop sign.  
 
If you have a licence, it should be revoked.

Tracy16 said "Like others have mentioned. The officer could have gotten a call and didn't want to spook the suspects so they went into "stealth" mode. The place they needed to get to, could have been less than a block away, and therefore putting on their sirens and lights may have spooked them. You don't know the full side of why the cop didn't stop, but clearly he was rushing it for a reason. If this person would have CAME TO A COMPLETE STOP for the full 3 seconds like you are suppose to do, and not just 1 second, this would have never happened. A whole second doesn't even give you time to safely look both ways, and make sure everyone else is stopping. If they took the 3 seconds instead of the 1 short second they could clearly see the cop was going fast and not slowing down, so common sense would tell you to just wait. More blame for them not making the complete stop. If you can see they are going faster than reasonable it just helps to stop and wait. Not that hard to determine if a vehicle is slowing down to a stop or speeding through. If you can avoid an accident just do it! Common sense really lacks now a days. You can't just blame someone else if your not following the law either. And honestly if this was any other vehicle doing this would you really take the time to post this? I highly doubt it. Just seeking a bit of attention it looks like. "

If you can count, you can clearly see that I was stopped for 3 seconds. I had the right of way, no other vehicle was at the intersection at the time. Read the traffic laws posted further up. You talk about common sense, but it doesn't seem to be your strong suit.

The_Young_Man said "If the cop intentionally ran the stop sign, they sure put a lot of trust in the other driver that they were going to stop. Most people would of ran into the cop not even realizing the cop was there until it's too late. "

lights on, sirens screaming and you still see people that look like they are trying to run the cops off the road.  
 
Seriously dangerous job with huge responsibilities placed on there shoulders.  
 
Thank goodness we have people that are willing to place there lives on the line for people they don't know.  
 
Fire, ambulance, police, and I also think road repair crews deserve some respect when they are doing their jobs.

Police vehicles operating without siren  
 
64(1) Where, considering the circumstances, it is reasonable and safe to do so, a peace officer driving a motor vehicle may, in carrying out the peace officer’s duties, do one or more of the following while not operating a siren:  
 
(a) drive the motor vehicle in excess of the speed limit:  
 
(b) proceed past a traffic control signal indicating stop or a stop sign without stopping:  
 
(c) contravene any other provision that is prescribed by the Act, this or other regulations or a municipal bylaw governing the use of the highways.  
 
(2) Where, considering the circumstances, it is reasonable and safe, a peace officer may, in carrying out the peace officer’s duties, park a motor vehicle, while not operating any flashing lights or siren, contrary to any provision that is prescribed by the Act, this or other regulations or a municipal bylaw governing the parking of motor vehicles.  
 
EDIT: These sections do not give the police carte blanche to drive however they want. They're still subject to civil liability if they cause damages while driving without their sirens negligently:  
 
Nevertheless, these special privileges do not absolve police officers from liability in every circumstance. The allowance and privileges to emergency vehicles are still subject to the consideration of all the “circumstances” which, without limitation, I define to i:nclude: weather, topography, traffic, the nature of the emergency, the number of emergency responders thought to be en-route or at the scene, and so on. Officers will be civilly liable if, considering all the circumstances, they are negligent. Officers can break statutes or municipal laws referred in the [legislation] only if it is reasonable and safe to do so in the circumstances. See e.g. Use of Highway and Rules of the Road Regulation, Alta. Reg. 304/2002, ss. 62 - 65. (Alford v. Canada, 2010 ABQB 192 at para 30)

loeog said "Police vehicles operating without siren     64(1) Where, considering the circumstances, it is reasonable and safe to do so, a peace officer driving a motor vehicle may, in carrying out the peace officer’s duties, do one or more of the following while not operating a siren:     (a) drive the motor vehicle in excess of the speed limit:     (b) proceed past a traffic control signal indicating stop or a stop sign without stopping:     (c) contravene any other provision that is prescribed by the Act, this or other regulations or a municipal bylaw governing the use of the highways.     (2) Where, considering the circumstances, it is reasonable and safe, a peace officer may, in carrying out the peace officer’s duties, park a motor vehicle, while not operating any flashing lights or siren, contrary to any provision that is prescribed by the Act, this or other regulations or a municipal bylaw governing the parking of motor vehicles.     EDIT: These sections do not give the police carte blanche to drive however they want. They're still subject to civil liability if they cause damages while driving without their sirens negligently:     Nevertheless, these special privileges do not absolve police officers from liability in every circumstance. The allowance and privileges to emergency vehicles are still subject to the consideration of all the “circumstances” which, without limitation, I define to i:nclude: weather, topography, traffic, the nature of the emergency, the number of emergency responders thought to be en-route or at the scene, and so on. Officers will be civilly liable if, considering all the circumstances, they are negligent. Officers can break statutes or municipal laws referred in the [legislation] only if it is reasonable and safe to do so in the circumstances. See e.g. Use of Highway and Rules of the Road Regulation, Alta. Reg. 304/2002, ss. 62 - 65. (Alford v. Canada, 2010 ABQB 192 at para 30) "

Again, reading into ANY traffic law in Canada will state that a cop CAN go through a stop sign or light without stopping, but only with the use of lights. The officer must stop to ensure the intersection is clear so that other drivers know of their intentions.  
 
To defend this careless form of driving is silly. If it were attempting a silent approach to a residential building, it still needs to flash lights at the very minimum.

I did count. You were still slowly moving at 6 seconds. You have to make a full stop and wait 3 seconds. Which was 7 seconds. It was at 8 seconds in the video you started moving again. Don't worry. I know how to count. Obviously you don't. Lol. Stop getting all defensive. You're clearly in the wrong. You see a cop obviously not slowing down. Stop and wait. Like I said. Common sense. SMH at people like you. Want to blame everyone else but yourself

Tracy16 said "I did count. You were still slowly moving at 6 seconds. You have to make a full stop and wait 3 seconds. Which was 7 seconds. It was at 8 seconds in the video you started moving again. Don't worry. I know how to count. Obviously you don't. Lol. Stop getting all defensive. You're clearly in the wrong. You see a cop obviously not slowing down. Stop and wait. Like I said. Common sense. SMH at people like you. Want to blame everyone else but yourself "

In the wrong? The cop had no lights on, against the law. Blew through the intersection. Read the traffic laws Tracy. I'm not in the wrong here. Is the "16 " in your name your age or your IQ?

TEN said "    Oryx said "    anonymous11111 said "Yes, we all make mistakes, cops included, but does that excuse work in traffic court? Will the judge drop a ticket because you are human and made a mistake? No? (insert shocked gasp)     This should be treated like any traffic violation (as there were no lights or sirens seen in video), and the offender would get a traffic violation which would have to be fought/ paid in court. With increases to license renewal fees, insurance, etc to follow, just like anybody else that makes a mistake on camera.     I am not trying to hold the police up to a higher standard, just up to the same standard that the rest of us have to follow. " more often than not, violators get their traffic charges dropped or reduced due to a variety of ridiculous excuses in traffic court. So yes, Judges drop tickets because people are human and make mistakes (insert shocked gasp), it happens ALL the time! " Are you kidding me?? I call Baloney Sandwich on that one....Maybe on a rare occasion, not more often that not. that means 50% of tickets get chucked cause "we are only human, we make mistakes". "

I stand by what I have posted. Please tell me how many times you have personally sat in traffic court. You wouldn't believe what people get "off" on in regard to traffic infractions.

Time on the video tells everything. Hahaha yeah you're real funny though. Lol you call slowly moving at 6 seconds a "full stop". Thanks for the laugh. Your car should have actually started moving again at 10 seconds in the video, and the cop would have been gone. Hmm if you actually would have done that like you were suppose to, and not made a whole 1 second complete stop and went, you wouldn't of even had that problem. Lol. Looks like you were just trying to cause an accident to have a pity party

Since everyone is speculating that it was the crime of the century that the officer was responding to....maybe they were just late getting home for lunch and was being a jerk.....after all like everyone has said theyre only human

Your iq is way lower if you can't even tell a cop isn't slowing down close to a stop sign. Like I said If you can just avoid an accident, do it. Don't worry though, that's probably something your small mind can't understand.

Tracy16 said "Your iq is way lower if you can't even tell a cop isn't slowing down close to a stop sign. Like I said If you can just avoid an accident, do it. Don't worry though, that's probably something your small mind can't understand. "

The cop could of been slowing down approaching the stop sign and still ran the stop sign. From watching the video it doesn't look like the cop was moving all that fast.

Tracy16 said "Time on the video tells everything. Hahaha yeah you're real funny though. Lol you call slowly moving at 6 seconds a "full stop". Thanks for the laugh. Your car should have actually started moving again at 10 seconds in the video, and the cop would have been gone. Hmm if you actually would have done that like you were suppose to, and not made a whole 1 second complete stop and went, you wouldn't of even had that problem. Lol. Looks like you were just trying to cause an accident to have a pity party "

Pity party? AHAHA right, so a cop can just blow through a stop sign with no lights on and it's ME trying to cause an accident? If you have a licence it should be revoked. A cop HAS to use lights Tracy. I'm glad you count to 3 every single time you encounter a stop sign. If you keep working at it, you might eventually learn to count to 4.

loeog said "Police vehicles operating without siren     64(1) Where, considering the circumstances, it is reasonable and safe to do so, a peace officer driving a motor vehicle may, in carrying out the peace officer’s duties, do one or more of the following while not operating a siren:     (a) drive the motor vehicle in excess of the speed limit:     (b) proceed past a traffic control signal indicating stop or a stop sign without stopping:     (c) contravene any other provision that is prescribed by the Act, this or other regulations or a municipal bylaw governing the use of the highways.     (2) Where, considering the circumstances, it is reasonable and safe, a peace officer may, in carrying out the peace officer’s duties, park a motor vehicle, while not operating any flashing lights or siren, contrary to any provision that is prescribed by the Act, this or other regulations or a municipal bylaw governing the parking of motor vehicles.     EDIT: These sections do not give the police carte blanche to drive however they want. They're still subject to civil liability if they cause damages while driving without their sirens negligently:     Nevertheless, these special privileges do not absolve police officers from liability in every circumstance. The allowance and privileges to emergency vehicles are still subject to the consideration of all the “circumstances” which, without limitation, I define to i:nclude: weather, topography, traffic, the nature of the emergency, the number of emergency responders thought to be en-route or at the scene, and so on. Officers will be civilly liable if, considering all the circumstances, they are negligent. Officers can break statutes or municipal laws referred in the [legislation] only if it is reasonable and safe to do so in the circumstances. See e.g. Use of Highway and Rules of the Road Regulation, Alta. Reg. 304/2002, ss. 62 - 65. (Alford v. Canada, 2010 ABQB 192 at para 30) "

is this the full case your citing?  
 
https://www.canlii.org/en/ab/abqb/doc/2010/2010abqb192/2010abqb192.html

Tracy16 said "Your iq is way lower if you can't even tell a cop isn't slowing down close to a stop sign. Like I said If you can just avoid an accident, do it. Don't worry though, that's probably something your small mind can't understand. "

Right, because you can clearly see the cop slow down right? If I hadn't stopped, I would have been hit. Stop being such a bootlicker.

When the video shows clearly you didn't make a proper stop. I mean okay if you think a whole second is a complete stop maybe your licence should be revoked. Like I said if it was anybody else and not a police car, you probably wouldn't of even posted this. Would have just went on with your day. Too bad that cop didn't catch you not making a complete stop, and would have given you a ticket. Now that would have been funny. Next time make a complete stop for the right amount of time, you clearly weren't paying attention either. You could have easily avoided that. You better go back to school though to learn some common sense. If that was me, and I seen a cop speeding past, I'd at least be courteous enough to stop and wait, whether or not he was in the wrong.

CAN proceed through traffic control devices without lights and sirens, BUT they still must do so with the safety of other motorists using the roadways. They can't just blow through a traffic control device when another motorist is proceeding through.

Tracy16 said "When the video shows clearly you didn't make a proper stop. I mean okay if you think a whole second is a complete stop maybe your licence should be revoked. Like I said if it was anybody else and not a police car, you probably wouldn't of even posted this. Would have just went on with your day. Too bad that cop didn't catch you not making a complete stop, and would have given you a ticket. Now that would have been funny. Next time make a complete stop for the right amount of time, you clearly weren't paying attention either. You could have easily avoided that. You better go back to school though to learn some common sense. If that was me, and I seen a cop speeding past, I'd at least be courteous enough to stop and wait, whether or not he was in the wrong. "

You can even see the vehicle shift back because guess what? I came to a complete stop. Even an Ex-police officer further up thanked me for coming to a complete stop. Through this entire thread, it's become apparent that the only thing that doesn't stop is the terrible arguments coming out of your mouth.