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Hilarious. Both your joke and the women's reactions.

It has to do with socialization of younger generations. Young people are not exposed to many different groups of people these days. You stick with your clique, and only do activities that involve remaining in a certain status. Parents don't encourage their kids to be a part of many different social settings. Young people do not learn how to adapt socially to many different situations these days. Kids are also too sheltered. Parent's monitor everything that is said around their children, so they never have a chance to learn different social cues within language.  
I think it is so important to socialize yourself and your children in many different situations. As a kid and young adult I was involved in music, sports, church groups, volunteered at old folks homes, and also loved going out and having a good time drinking with friends. I learned that how I could act or react to social situations at the bar was different than how I should act or react at my music lessons, or when volunteering with seniors, etc. I was exposed to an older generation that would joke differently, or maybe expect proper behaviour differently, but was also exposed to how people my own age or younger acted.  
Today's young people are so self centred and one track minded, they don't know how to react to anything outside of their world or way of doing things.

Sometimes I have been known to say what's on my mind, and this might be one of those times.  
Sorry to say this but what you say is not a joke but a pick up line. Now I know that if I were a young lady, or older lady, working out in the gym I would not be impressed with someone hitting on me, I'm in the gym for my reasons, and for the majority of women those reasons don't i:nclude you or me. As for the 35 or older women getting your joke, I wouldn't want to speculate why they were laughing, by 35 most women have heard just about every line, and seen the dumb things that men do to impress them.  
With all this being said, I could be wrong, let's see what the ladies have to say.

As a woman younger then 35. I just don''t find your joke funny or witty. And because I''m at a gym, I wouldn''t likely strike up a conversation because I''m there to work out (and personal to me, I only have a set amount of time to be there as I have other obligations to get to)  
 
And I don''t think it has to do with how sheltered jellybean seems to think we are. It''s a matter of different eras, obligations, wants and likes.  
 
Don''t assume just because we are young that we are the problem in your scenarios.  
 
Eta: and depending on how much older you are, you may just get brushed off as the creepy old man hitting on me at the gym.  
 
Edited by batoochie, 2016-08-08 09:16:29

batoochie said "As a woman younger then 35. I just don''t find your joke funny or witty. And because I''m at a gym, I wouldn''t likely strike up a conversation because I''m there to work out (and personal to me, I only have a set amount of time to be there as I have other obligations to get to)     And I don''t think it has to do with how sheltered jellybean seems to think we are. It''s a matter of different eras, obligations, wants and likes.     Don''t assume just because we are young that we are the problem in your scenarios.     Eta: and depending on how much older you are, you may just get brushed off as the creepy old man hitting on me at the gym.     Edited by batoochie, 2016-08-08 09:16:29"

It's not about right or wrong, it's just about the response. People who have been socialized in many different situations will know how to better respond to a joke or possible pick up line from the OP.  
 
You sound to me like a very one track minded individual, who has only time for your own schedule, and cannot think outside the box, and have a laugh with someone else. Not that you are wrong in prioritizing yourself, and your work out, but a well socialized person would be able to respond appropriately to the OP's joke, and also move on with their own agenda for the day.  
 
For me, I would have no interest in striking up conversation, or befriending a person who approached me with a joke or pick up line at the gym, but I likely would have laughed and reciprocated a sentence or two to the OP, and would likely tell him to enjoy his day, and then I would move on. Most young women under 35 would likely give him a dirty glare, or a blank stare and walk away, because they have no clue how to act appropriately, because they were never taught or exposed to situations where you can respond to a strangers joke without feeling like you have to become personal with them.

You have a lot of assumptions about me (and a younger generation) jellybean, none of which are true.  
 
I never gave any examples of how I would likely react, as my reaction would still be different then the next persons. But let''s just say I would never purposely ignore someone that was talking to me.  
 
But the fact remains, I wouldn't indulge in a conversation much beyond a smile and a few quick words for the reasons I stated above. That has little to do with my age or worldliness.  
 
Edited by batoochie, 2016-08-08 09:41:29

his expectations aren''t for a sentence or 2 and a polite smile. he says he became friends with the women who responded and didn''t work out again with the ones who didn''t.  
 
what were your results when you said this joke to men? or are you only seeking out women?  
 
you can''t help keep quiet around women? sounds like a personal problem. women don''t have to be friends with you just because you want them to.  
 
Edited by dueindecember, 2016-08-08 09:48:24

Dont even try to talk to women under 35 years old here. This is the worst city to be single, young women will call the police on you, call you stalker, perv, creepy old guy, etc.(Not that ever happened to me before) Even though you might not be any of those, before giving you even a smile, as I recommend to all my single friends go get yourself a girl from another city and bring her over, cause you'll never find any here... Girls here are mean. Maybe 1 out of 10 will be nice, polite and well raised. Good luck trying to find her!

You know, with all these almost weekly new posts about guys getting PO''''ed at young women not throwing themselves at them when the guy harasses them during the day, it''''s no wonder women seem so cold.  
 
Oh, this woman working out at the gym didn''''t turn into a giggly mess when you poked her and interrupted her work out just to feed her a lame joke? What a cold hearted prude!  
 
Gents, you know why women aren''''t reponding to you? Because you''''re creeps. You''''re harassing these ladies when they''''re trying to shop and work out or just plan work at their jobs. You are the ones defying normal social graces. You are the weirdos  
 
Maybe if you guys spent less time on the elliptical trying to pick up girls six tiers out of your league and more time over in the free weight area lifting heavy stuff and getting muscles, you might be more appealing and get a better reception. If Women at the gym want to talk to guys they''''ll be talking to the ones doing work, throwing up 3 plates or lifting 4, not bobby beergut wheezing away beside them on the treadmill throwing out Tennessee Ten-I-see cringe  
 
Leave the women alone and learn to go try and strike up conversations at places where they actually want to talk. I''''m starting to feel genuinely sorry for Brandon women when it comes to being hit on, just judging by the dudes posting their bizarre attempts on here  
 
Women do not owe you anything just because you are attracted to them and try to strike up a conversation. They are not in the wrong for blowing you off. They do not have to give you your number or even a hello simply because you graced them with your oh so awesome presence. They aren't being rude-they know the only reason you are talking to them is because you want to date them. They, rejecting your pick up attempt, is not rudeness. I feel like a crazy person having to explain this supposedly common sense logic  
 
Edited by Mr.Nonsense, 2016-08-08 10:28:11

batoochie said "You have a lot of assumptions about me (and a younger generation) jellybean, none of which are true.     I never gave any examples of how I would likely react, as my reaction would still be different then the next persons. But let''s just say I would never purposely ignore someone that was talking to me.     But the fact remains, I wouldn't indulge in a conversation much beyond a smile and a few quick words for the reasons I stated above. That has little to do with my age or worldliness.     Edited by batoochie, 2016-08-08 09:41:29"

Your first post made it easy for people to define you, not just assume, and you didn't give any examples, you just out right stated that you would have no interest in the OP's joke.  
 
Well socialized people are able to tell the difference between a joke, a pick up line, or someone just being creepy. In all situations, you can still choose to respond appropriately though.  
 
Sounds like you can be appropriate though, as you stated you would possibly give a quick smile, a few words, and move on. What the problem is, is that the younger generations have become so self-centred, and even phobic of interaction with a stranger, that they come off as rude, or just plain ignorant.

i kind of wonder if a few things are happening with the OP wrong place wrong time maybe, maybe the women over 35 are more in your age range so dont feel creeped out or maybe they arent getting as much attention so will amuse you or they dont even think you are hitting on them or just dont mind small talk type stuff, either way dont peg any women into a category, be yourself and let them be themselves, just know the difference between when its appropriate to make small talk and when you get the vibe not to  
 
and if you read them wrong, correct your mistake and move on

Mr.Nonsense said "You know, with all these almost weekly new posts about guys getting PO''''ed at young women not throwing themselves at them when the guy harasses them during the day, it''''s no wonder women seem so cold.     Oh, this woman working out at the gym didn''''t turn into a giggly mess when you poked her and interrupted her work out just to feed her a lame joke? What a cold hearted prude!     Gents, you know why women aren''''t reponding to you? Because you''''re creeps. You''''re harassing these ladies when they''''re trying to shop and work out or just plan work at their jobs. You are the ones defying normal social graces. You are the weirdos     Maybe if you guys spent less time on the elliptical trying to pick up girls six tiers out of your league and more time over in the free weight area lifting heavy stuff and getting muscles, you might be more appealing and get a better reception. If Women at the gym want to talk to guys they''''ll be talking to the ones doing work, throwing up 3 plates or lifting 4, not bobby beergut wheezing away beside them on the treadmill throwing out Tennessee Ten-I-see cringe     Leave the women alone and learn to go try and strike up conversations at places where they actually want to talk. I''''m starting to feel genuinely sorry for Brandon women when it comes to being hit on, just judging by the dudes posting their bizarre attempts on here     Women do not owe you anything just because you are attracted to them and try to strike up a conversation. They are not in the wrong for blowing you off. They do not have to give you your number or even a hello simply because you graced them with your oh so awesome presence. They aren't being rude-they know the only reason you are talking to them is because you want to date them. They, rejecting your pick up attempt, is not rudeness. I feel like a crazy person having to explain this supposedly common sense logic     Edited by Mr.Nonsense, 2016-08-08 10:28:11"

A friendly comment to a woman is harrassment? Not in my world. If the woman shows no interest and the guy keeps going, then sure. But saying hello and being friendly definately is not harrassment!

I sometimes joke around with sales clerks, whether man or woman young or old. I find young people generally don't understand or see things the way I do. I can't even joke around with my own grandchildren not much anyway, they just live in a different world.

Owyhee, I find its the same thing with my grandparents. They have a different view then I do because thier life and times called for it. My grandma is one of the racist people I know because that is what she was taught. She doesn''t understand why I don''t save and reuse everything that I touch.  
 
My grandpa still believes that a single mother (like me) is something to be ashamed of and that wOman are less then men.  
 
My dad still thinks children should be seen and not heard.  
 
But I can still talk, laugh and be around these people because we don''t approach these topics.  
 
I tell you all this because times have simply changed. I know that''s how they were brought up. It didnt take much for me to find a common ground with my grandparents, just like it isn''t any harder for them to bridge the generation gap.  
 
Edited by batoochie, 2016-08-08 11:43:51

Jellybean said "    batoochie said "You have a lot of assumptions about me (and a younger generation) jellybean, none of which are true.     I never gave any examples of how I would likely react, as my reaction would still be different then the next persons. But let''s just say I would never purposely ignore someone that was talking to me.     But the fact remains, I wouldn't indulge in a conversation much beyond a smile and a few quick words for the reasons I stated above. That has little to do with my age or worldliness.     Edited by batoochie, 2016-08-08 09:41:29" Your first post made it easy for people to define you, not just assume, and you didn't give any examples, you just out right stated that you would have no interest in the OP's joke.     Well socialized people are able to tell the difference between a joke, a pick up line, or someone just being creepy. In all situations, you can still choose to respond appropriately though.     Sounds like you can be appropriate though, as you stated you would possibly give a quick smile, a few words, and move on. What the problem is, is that the younger generations have become so self-centred, and even phobic of interaction with a stranger, that they come off as rude, or just plain ignorant. "

I'd consider myself to be well socialized and I agree with batoochie.  
 
A line like that, at a gym, is exactly that, a corny line. It's not funny, it's not a joke, it's a creepy way to strike up a conversation with a woman at a gym.  
 
I honestly find a simple "hello, how are you doing" the perfect conversation starter and will often go much further than some lame pick up line.

It's not harassment, but that statement still has a sexual connotation. You are commenting that you have noticed the woman's attractiveness, even if you are phrasing it as a joke.  
 
When I am out in public, I don't want a stranger to point out my sexuality and give me a cheesy compliment. That is uncomfortable. Even if you do find me attractive, there are more respectful ways to start up a conversation.  
 
Also, your profile says you are 33... So of course you are going to be getting a better response from someone in their thirties as opposed to their early twenties. What 20 year old wants an old guy hitting on them (which IS what the OP was doing, or at least how it would come off to the young woman)? But someone in your age group is more likely to flirt back.  
 
I just don't appreciate people saying that young women won't banter back because their generation can't socialize. Give me a break. If someone makes a comment that makes you uncomfortable or makes you not feel respected as a woman, of course you are not going to start up a conversation, you are going to smile and probably head to the cardio section. Also, you are not going to flirt with a guy you are not interested in. That is called leading someone on which is RUDE  
 
Also, I can't see many men working out at the gym appreciating me, as a woman, going up to them and saying "ooo you better make sure you don't watch me running in the treadmill, I wouldn't want to pull a hamstring trying to impress you". That is just an inappropriate comment 1) for the setting and 2) to a stranger!  
 
Also, I wonder if the OP would go up to a man and make a cheesy joke to make sma talk? I doubt it!  
 
I am 30 by the way

Maybe the younger women in the OPs story were NOT actually offended but were simply there to work out and weren't interested in chit chat. It's funny how you go to a place for one reason and the expectation can be that you have to be there to socialize or you are seen as rude or easily offended. Maybe the "older generation" was more polite and would take the time to laugh and respond to a joke that they may or may not have thought was hilarious. Maybe I am rude for saying or thinking this but: I spend my full-time job talking to people. If I wanted to go to the gym it may be to have a moment to unwind and relax and heaven forbid spend a moment NOT talking to people and just have a moment to myself. Is that terrible? Perhaps these ladies have this happen every time they are at the gym. Perhaps they had a rough day and just need that moment to themselves. Perhaps they didn't find your joke funny. Perhaps they are just rude women. Regardless though, I don't understand the expectation to respond a certain way to avoid someone saying "that younger generation can't respond appropriately" or having someone think they are catty women. I've heard crusty responses in social situations from women of all ages so the age card need not apply when it comes to being joked with (a.k.a. hit on). I agree with previous posters that I would much rather have a man approach me with a smile or a "how is your day going" than a line that could be interpreted as a pick up line. If we are going to talk about the trouble with "this generation" being terrible in social situations why not talk about "this generation" and the lack of social graces when it comes to an attempt to show your interest in another human being. I feel humiliated for others when they use a corny one liner. My husband "picked me up" by asking me about myself and telling me about himself. Shocking I know...but it worked.

When I workout, I am focusing on working out I'm not interested in a conversation, especially with a stranger. Especially with a cheesy uninteresting pick up line. If I heard that I'd just smile and look away. If someone wants a conversation say hello.  
 
Jellybean how old is this generation you speak of...I'm 30 and I grew up in lots of social situations with a variety of ages/types of people where I had conversations with them. I know how to act in different social situations but that doesn't mean I have to talk to a stranger when I'm doing my own thing.

summergal said "When I workout, I am focusing on working out I'm not interested in a conversation, especially with a stranger. Especially with a cheesy uninteresting pick up line. If I heard that I'd just smile and look away. If someone wants a conversation say hello.     Jellybean how old is this generation you speak of...I'm 30 and I grew up in lots of social situations with a variety of ages/types of people where I had conversations with them. I know how to act in different social situations but that doesn't mean I have to talk to a stranger when I'm doing my own thing. "

I'm in my 30's as well.  
So what if you want to just do your own thing....doesn't mean you have to be rude. That is the issue with today's young people, they don't know how to respond at all, because they are stuck inside on their iPads, or just with one social group, and so the only reaction they know to a foreign situation is ignorant.  
 
I'm not at all saying that women have to talk to the OP or befriend him just because he makes a joke with them, that is your choice, this conversation is about reactions. It's funny, because I've seen so many conversations about how it's hard to meet people, find friends, or a mate, etc. It's because no one wants to interact in person. The gym is actually a perfect place to meet friends or mates. You are there with people who are like minded, etc. To many people turn to the internet to meet people these days because it's easier to hide behind a keyboard, research a person, and then meet them if you feel like it, but if not, you don't have to go through anything that may be awkward for you.

People go to the gym to work out and take selfies not to be perved on

Seriously, dude, that is a really bad pick up line. I am single and in my 40's. If I heard something like that from a guy of any age, I would blow him off like a dragon with a bone caught between it's teeth.  
If a guy at the gym wanted to actually talk to me and get to know me, I would much rather him compliment me on my form or strike up a conversation about workouts and the gym.  
I think what is the worst about your pick up line is that it is shallow and cookie cutter compliment. There is nothing that appeals to a woman who considers herself more than her looks.  
Next time you want to get to know a woman (of any age) try to address her for something other than looks. Woman like to acknowledged for strength, ability and intelligence more than looks.  
Ice breakers that are based on looks will often be met with a cold front because it tells us women that you only see a pretty face or a body you want to screw. (Doesn't matter if that is true or not.) Cheesy pick up lines kinda tell women you are not interested in that woman as a person, but rather any woman will do.  
If you use an ice breaker that acknowledges something unique and true about that individual woman you will get a much warmer and interested response.  
Might want to guage the age you are hitting on too. To most women in their early twenties, they will view a guy in his mid 30's as too old. Most girls that age have uncles or fathers not much older. So yeah, they are probably going to find being hit on by a guy that age to be repulsive. It isn't anything you can change either. It is just the way it is.  
If you are seriously looking, try for women in late 20's to mid 30's. They will be more on the same level in life as you.  
Happy hunting.  
 
Edited by AndreaD., 2016-08-08 15:32:46

why is this so called generational gap a bad thing? women don't feel obligated to please a man just because he decided to talk to her, women want men to treat them like a person instead of complimenting their look. that's a good thing!

Wow love the comments on this thread. Funny how certain people's legit comments get deleted magically along with their posts but crap like this just keeps going and going?? Hmmmm

...means that you're probably giving off a try-hard vibe.

Jellybean said "    batoochie said "You have a lot of assumptions about me (and a younger generation) jellybean, none of which are true.     I never gave any examples of how I would likely react, as my reaction would still be different then the next persons. But let''s just say I would never purposely ignore someone that was talking to me.     But the fact remains, I wouldn't indulge in a conversation much beyond a smile and a few quick words for the reasons I stated above. That has little to do with my age or worldliness.     Edited by batoochie, 2016-08-08 09:41:29" Your first post made it easy for people to define you, not just assume, and you didn't give any examples, you just out right stated that you would have no interest in the OP's joke.     Well socialized people are able to tell the difference between a joke, a pick up line, or someone just being creepy. In all situations, you can still choose to respond appropriately though.     Sounds like you can be appropriate though, as you stated you would possibly give a quick smile, a few words, and move on. What the problem is, is that the younger generations have become so self-centred, and even phobic of interaction with a stranger, that they come off as rude, or just plain ignorant. "

So you think it's ok to define people on a few sentences? Yet the younger generation is the closed minded ones?  
 
And I can tell the difference between a joke and a poor excuse for a pick up line. And it is just that. The op was looking for a reaction, one I would have no interest in giving.  
 
And if you have a problem with the younger generation you only need to look at the one before it to see the reason it is like that.

Well, there's a reason why I posted this in "Brandon chatter" and not in "dating & relationships".  
 
I don't know since when an attraction to opposite sex is considered creepy and a friendly small talk is misconstrued as pick-up line. It's just basic physics and symbiotic biology. Yes, I'm attracted to women. Yes, I make small talks with everyone and more with women. No, I don't expect anyone to reciprocate. No, I'm not complaining. I'm just expressing my observation after moving to Brandon.  
 
For folks wondering about my conversation with men and others;  
 
"Are you serious? I hate you already" - To guys pumping heavier weights at gym  
 
"Feel free to call the ambulance if you see me passed out, or you'll be reason for my death" - To anyone walk pass me at gym  
 
"You're a racist" - To a 7th grade kid for not understanding my English (of course, in front of his mom)  
 
"Are you saying no to me just because I'm not white?" - To a mature woman patient in hospital  
 
"Could you please wait? I wanna tell the stylist to make me look like you" - To guys at salon  
 
"If you guys think I'm following you, you're damn right" - To a couple I bumped into again and again (by accident) in Walmart  
 
The list goes on and all were strangers. I didn't plan or think, I just said what came to my mind at that time. Was it awkward/stupid/inappropriate - Hell yeah! Did we have a good laugh - You bet!  
 
I ain't Einstein, but it's just hard to not notice when I jog in Victoria and everyone passing by says hi, except a certain gender in a certain age group at a certain city. I simply thought it's a good topic for ebrandon. Especially,  
 
- when kids can take a joke and don't find me creepy  
- when guys/mature women can take a compliment and don't find me hitting on them  
- when a patient can laugh so easily  
 
I just find it interesting that young women in this nice little city of "friendly" Manitoba to be bit serious. I still don't get it, but I can see your points. Thanks everybody and sorry eh

.....is a completely inadequate sample size to attempt any hypothesis not to mention the " joke " is self centred and juvenile.  
 
Not surprised by the reaction of those who just ignored your advances. Have you ever just considered saying hello?  
 
As to the notion that " today's young people are so self centred and one track minded....." Well that is just plain ridiculous. Not only because the statement is aimed at a loosely defined group of individuals who the author clearly could not possibly have enough genuine information about. But also because it is patently untrue. There are many people under the age of 25 who are civic minded caring people.

I feel like if there is a large group of women who seem put off then maybe there is a reason for that....possibly too many guys in the area say/act inappropriate. I remember being younger and out socializing and had guys not leave me alone after trying to nicely say I was uninterested, to have guys I don't know grab my arm to go dance as I walk by, who come and grind on you while dancing just because your a girl. Lots of bad experiences can make you put up walls so you don't have to deal with it anymore.

Those defending this harassment have likely never been hit on before. Here, imagine if you were in a check out line or at the keg or wherever, and someone of the opposite gender came up unsolicited, got in your space and waved for your attention, then put a beer cup on their head and said in a monotone voice "Look, I''m a Shriner."  
 
Are you supposed to laugh at this stranger? You might because what they did was so dumb, not funny, but just because they bugged you you''re supposed to laugh and clap on for them and be their new best buddy?  
 
Are we supposed to be your social workers? Are we Your mommy and daddies? Should we go "Ooooooh [your name]! That was a very funny joke! Good for you, here''s a gold star and a cookie and my number!"  
 
It''s painfully obvious when someone is hitting on you. Most of the time you can tell because they''re talking to you. People are not repeatedly making posts on ebrandon titled ''Why are Brandon women AND men so cold/off putting/guarded/not guffawing at my weak bants/not dating me?''  
 
Here''s some very basic advice that peeps seem to not be getting:  
 
- if you''re a complete stranger, you''re going to get blown out  
- if you don''t look like Chris hemsworth or a Victoria secret model, you''re going to get blown out  
- if you''re visibly 4+ years older than them, you''re going to get blown out  
- if you''re not in great shape [visible pecs/biceps/tight core/thigh gap/perky bum] you''re gonna get blown out  
- if you got weak jokes, you''re going to get blown out  
- if all you got is a borIng hello as an opener, you''re going to get blown out  
- if you approach/interrupt people at an inappropriate place, you''re going to get blown out  
 
If you want to be making pals with th the opposite sex, you have to get in wicked shape (deadlifts, presses, squats), you have to approach age appropriate people (sorry daddy-os but real life isnt one of your naughty videos, and college freshmen are not interested in balding, sagging, veiny old dudes), you have to learn how to actually talk to and entertain people and not get all misty eyed when the crowd boos down your opening joke, and you have to stop being a complete weird stranger approaching people at the wrong places. Brief list of the right places: non-intimate nightclubs and bars [houstons, the road house, socials], relevant online sites/apps [plenty of fish, ebrandon relationship section, tinder], potentially coffee shops if they are sitting alone and not on a computer, mixers.  
 
Times have changed. Our country is far more dangerous than it used to be, and strangers are even stranger nowadays-we are not all cut from the same cloth anymore. The people you wanna date already have tons of options. It would blow your mind to see how many texts a young woman gets nowadays alone, and if she really feels the need to meet a stranger at least something like tinder let''s her vet people without having to be physically confronted by them, mind racing with thoughts like "Is this creep going to try and touch me? I just wanted to buy a loaf of bread I didn't come to the co-op to be picked up. I don''t want to talk to this stranger but if I don''t respond he might get angry or I might seem rude or he might go post online and tell people me and my generation are the rude weirdos."  
 
Get it out of your heads: you are not being friendly. You are not being nice, you are talking to these people solely because you are hoping it will lead to sexy times. And with that fact, nobody owes you an ounce of civility. I''m a dude, I''ve talked to strange women before, with romantic and non-romantic intents, and I''ve yet to not have a friendly exchange when it''s been motivated by the latter.  
 
If you really want to cozy up to the opposite sex, take a good long look in the mirror and ask what do YOU bring to the table? What can YOU do to increase your attractiveness? Why should they be talking to YOU?  
 
Brush your teeth, lift heavy weights, read Shakespeare to yourself in the mirror, read a book on social graces.  
 
At the very least stop hitting on women at gym. Seeing cute things walking around me is a phenomenal boost to my test while I''m lifting, and every time there''s a surge of dad creeps showing up at my time, hovering around the machines and staring and hitting on women who can out bench them they switch times and I''m forced to look at old creepers in between reps until they quit and the ladies come back.  
 
Edited by Mr.Nonsense, 2016-08-08 21:04:23