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So awful for those living there. I can't imagine the stress they must be feeling right now, especially after reading the discover westman story. Those trailers are definitely an eye sore for being located right along the 18th but when you can't afford anything more, it is all you've got. I can't imagine having a mortgage on one of those places and then not being able to move it due to its condition/age.  
I sure hope that the landlord is actually going to be using that land for something and that it will take shape quickly. I can't imagine how angry those who lived in Kingsway court must feel when that land is just sitting there empty for how long now since they were all forced out!

Three weeks before Christmas??!! Shame!

Johnbisonbear said "Three weeks before Christmas??!! Shame! "

With them being kicked out, but they are being given 6 months notice (I believe the article says June 30th) and each person is being given $5000 (landlord tenancies only said each person had to be given 500$) after the mobile has been cleared off the lot.

My son has a mortgage on his, and has to find alternate housing, plus sell/move his trailer. So will be looking for options.  
Good luck to all affected.

However, it is his land right? Is he bound to support rental land for these people or is he a business man who has to run things like a business and do what is best for him? I can't imagine why everyone wouldn't be aware of the risks? What do you wish for him to do? Obviously he was offered good money for his land. Buying trailers is a poor investment in any case. Trailers never go up in value like homes do. Not everyone can afford a home, so renting is best, and renting an apartment or home comes with the understanding that there could come a time when you will have to move when you were not expecting it. Really the only stable housing is owning a home, but not everyone can afford that. I think people owning trailers renting land probably had a false sense of securety, that their residence is a permanent home. But renting is renting and you take a gamble everytime you rent. You take a massive gamble when you rent land and put your home on it. Is it unfortunate for the home owners? It is. They lost on a long term gamble. But they chose this agreement. No one was tricked, no one has done anything unethical. It is just an unfortunate situation for the home owners. The exact same thing happened to me. The land my trailers were on was sold. But I received no money and had to have them both moved in 6 months. I bought the trailers for almost nothing and rented them out. But it was a gamble and I lost. What did I learn? Don't gamble when it comes to your place of residence.

Although not an option for everyone, there are 2 trailer parks in Minnedosa, there are 3 homes for sale in the park in which you rent your lot, there are 2 homes for sale in the park where you own your lot. FYI

It is a business. The owner of the land has the right to do what he decides with the land. No problem with that.  
 
Just going to see what others'''' are deciding to do, and perhaps give others affected some ideas of the options.  
 
Someone has already suggested a mobile home park in Minnedosa. This is the type of post that is helpful.  
 
Edited by Jean , 2018-11-30 11:35:57

I knew through people way back during the Kingsway trailer court fuss that those first few rows on the other side of Eighteenth were going to change over to Commercial zoning. Back then, with all that was happening at that time with public opinion being negative about the evictions there, Brentwood decided to 'hold off' their frontage changes for a later date. Well that later date is here. Look, I understand that people and homes are about to be displaced, but the rental business doesn't work well anymore with long term tenants. In the long run, the costs will eventually outpace and strip away the profit and eventually turning it into a money loosing venture. Taxes, utilities, maintenance and cost of living will outrun the Tenancies controlled guidelines set for rent increases in a matter of years. The only way to keep up with costs is to rotate the vacancy for each unit every few years so that us landlords can balance the books by adjusting the proper rent amount with new tenants. Trailer courts are at their worst right now where the same tenants can remain for an entire generation. ...That sucks, when our overhead costs has doubled these past fifteen years and will probably double again by 2030's. Long term residential tenants don't work anymore. So what is a landlord to do, especially with mobile home parks? ...Well, it's either end the business and sell off the appreciated land (like at Kingsway) to new developers or re-invent and re-invest in the business model yourself by having commercial leases. That's it. Nothing else, other than to lay on your hands and knees an beg from the Rentalsman to be allowed to set for an higher increase. From which I've tried and failed every single time. Even when we open our books to show the loses on certain "long term units" ...they just don't seem to care about the landlords. And when tenant arrangements go sour, we play by their rules and obey the laws only to have empathy trump over us or better yet, they dump the problem back in our laps with the "small claims court advise" ...After they practically assist in the tenants getaway. Because after all, we're always the big bad greedy landlords. *sarcasm*  
 
The problem with these types of residential rental agreements is that over time the business model starts to fall apart because of unforeseen changes and runaway costs. The land has gained too much value and must be re-purposed to sustain itself. It's not the landlords/owners fault... It's the price point brought on by the banks, the city/government and a society lusting for profit to survive. I feel bad for these folks, but it's just business.  
 
The rest of Brentwood will survive, for now. Maybe they can reshuffle to allow some homes to be moved elsewhere within the park itself? But this should be a lessen given to those thinking that renting have the same rights as owning. It's the only trade off when living under someone's management -you don't get the final say to what happens with the land under your feet.  
 
Just my opinion, I could be wrong.

The three rows that received eviction notices have not been a part of Brentwood for 15 years now.  
Owned by someone different than the Halls and it has always been known that the owner was going to develop that into commercial at some time.  
Makes sense to do it now with plans for a south end mall.

this is from a person that lived there, his exact quote:  
 
Yes, it was understood when I moved in that this could happen and that was well over 14 years ago. When I bought the trailer it was made very clear to me it could happen and was actually in the sales agreement to even let us buy it!  
 
 
Of course, still feel badly for the residents and the timing.

kaybrooker said "    Johnbisonbear said "Three weeks before Christmas??!! Shame! " With them being kicked out, but they are being given 6 months notice (I believe the article says June 30th) and each person is being given $5000 (landlord tenancies only said each person had to be given 500$) after the mobile has been cleared off the lot. "

The $5000 is only if moved or destroyed in the first three months from the notice . After that it is progressive down to $500 if not moved by 6 months. The funds will only be paid after the lot is cleared of the home. So owner will need to have funds to move the home or demo it to have the opportunity to access the payment from the land owner.  
 
Many of these people will have a difficult time getting this done in 6 months along with finding a new place to live. Many I would suggest do not have the funds to execute either option. Time will tell.

Jean said "It is a business. The owner of the land has the right to do what he decides with the land. No problem with that.     Just going to see what others'''' are deciding to do, and perhaps give others affected some ideas of the options.     Someone has already suggested a mobile home park in Minnedosa. This is the type of post that is helpful.     Edited by Jean , 2018-11-30 11:35:57"

There are no empty lots in any of the parks in Minnedosa just homes for sale on lots.

hisluvmonkey said "Although not an option for everyone, there are 2 trailer parks in Minnedosa, there are 3 homes for sale in the park in which you rent your lot, there are 2 homes for sale in the park where you own your lot. FYI "

The issue is finding vacant lots to move the trailers to, not buying another one.  
Similar to the Kingsway Court situation, the owners found the other trailer courts had no vacant lots.  
Have to agree that the timing is rotten. Unless you have lived through it, being evicted and shortage of affordable housing available is a nightmare.  
Best of luck to everyone.

Shebear said "Regardless of its business or its his land or whatever, to do this to people in winter even with 6 mnths notice, espc before Christmas (like that isn't stressful enough for some) is just insensitive, and if these people are struggling as it is, give the people a year? This world has enough crap going on give these people a year and dont reduce the $ given. Yet others are just handed stuff and $ and get apartments/homes easily... "

of what you seem to feel about this situation, the fact of the matter is that this is business and perhaps the owner has his own timelines with developers to maintain and deadlines to meet. Six months is ample time, given the fact they are not being asked to move in the dead of winter. I am sorry you feel others are given handouts (money and apartments) when we all know that is not the case.

Shebear said "    Oryx said "    Shebear said "Regardless of its business or its his land or whatever, to do this to people in winter even with 6 mnths notice, espc before Christmas (like that isn't stressful enough for some) is just insensitive, and if these people are struggling as it is, give the people a year? This world has enough crap going on give these people a year and dont reduce the $ given. Yet others are just handed stuff and $ and get apartments/homes easily... " of what you seem to feel about this situation, the fact of the matter is that this is business and perhaps the owner has his own timelines with developers to maintain and deadlines to meet. Six months is ample time, given the fact they are not being asked to move in the dead of winter. I am sorry you feel others are given handouts (money and apartments) when we all know that is not the case. " have your view of things and I have mine and they are different and thats ok Yes there are people given things freely as I mentioned....and it is true...but again we have differnce of opinions and that's freedom of speech we can still enjoy even if we disagree "

have a realistic view on things based on experience in business and with real estate & management. Do I feel for the people being evicted...? Sure I do, it's incredibly hard to find rentals & homes in Brandon. However the dollar is what drives people, and business is business and this isn't a matter of disagreeing - it's a matter of putting the facts ahead of personal opinions. Nothing to to do with freedom of speech. If you don't think I know about the 'handouts' you so claim, I most certainly do, but that it itself is a different subject all together.

Shebear said "    Oryx said "    Shebear said "Regardless of its business or its his land or whatever, to do this to people in winter even with 6 mnths notice, espc before Christmas (like that isn't stressful enough for some) is just insensitive, and if these people are struggling as it is, give the people a year? This world has enough crap going on give these people a year and dont reduce the $ given. Yet others are just handed stuff and $ and get apartments/homes easily... " of what you seem to feel about this situation, the fact of the matter is that this is business and perhaps the owner has his own timelines with developers to maintain and deadlines to meet. Six months is ample time, given the fact they are not being asked to move in the dead of winter. I am sorry you feel others are given handouts (money and apartments) when we all know that is not the case. " have your view of things and I have mine and they are different and thats ok Yes there are people given things freely as I mentioned....and it is true...but again we have differnce of opinions and that's freedom of speech we can still enjoy even if we disagree "

I am curious as to who gets free housing. Bad timing? Is there ever good timing when it comes to these situations? The owner could have waited till after Christmas and then what......People would still complain that it is shitty to have to move at Christmas time. This is why I couldn''t understand why private lots were not more in demand. The Patricia Heights development took forever to fill and it was affordable housing. But the view of trailer park trash got the best of it and the rest of the lots were sold off for housing. Funny thing is when they put a house on the lots sold for double the price....go figure. I don't understand back home in Alberta we have subdivisions filled with hundreds of own your lot and trailers and nobody thinks like many do about trailers in Brandon. Sure they are now called modular homes but still people in Brandon call it a trailer.  
 
Everyone claims pricing always drops for trailers. In a hot housing market prices actually go up. Houses get too pricey so trailers can creep up their selling price as it looks more affordable. There are already $200 grand modular homes for sale, on a lease property. I paid nowhere near that for my own "trailer" and lot in town here. Put a RTM home on a lease lot and tell me it will go up. It is the land that goes up, and the price to build goes up thus offsetting the building holding its price too.  
 
Those that want to shout out that hopefully someone helps these people out....Why not these people who want someone else to help, pony up some money, go in with the trailer park owners that have to move, build a co-op trailer park and allow all makes and ages of trailers. Just an idea.  
 
Edited by Fishin Guy, 2018-12-01 10:09:05

Shebear said "the free stuff for some is unfair when others have to suffer after having to work hard to get their homes, then this stuff happens. Again its unfair to the people in the trailer court espc doing this near Christmas is bad timing.   I hope there is someone who reads this post and can somehow help the people. "

Please enlighten me on this so called 'free stuff' you speak about. I am not sure what you mean.  
 
Any timing is bad timing for this type of notice, wouldn't you think? Is there ever a [b][i]good time [/i][/b] to you told you will be forced to move? Is there? If it were August, people would then be complaining that winter is coming and how dare they do this when winter is on it's way.  
 
Not sure who is going to help these people either. Thankfully they have been given six months to get their affairs in order and the potential to receive some cash as well.

I don't follow how mobile homes cannot be moved physically. There are a lot of buildings that can be moved in varying conditions shapes and sizes. The real problem to me, is finding a lot to bring them to.  
 
Edited by JasonWolff, 2018-12-01 11:22:45

I thought most people of these 3 rows knew years ago, that there were talks about an eviction coming??  
 
Too bad the north hill doesn't have any spots. That would be a great location.

the owner of the owner of the rest of Brentwood. In 25 years in the business he's seen mobile homes more than double in value and in some cases have tripled in value. I have lived in the park for 15 years and mine has almost tripled in value compared to what I bought it for brand new 15 years ago!  
There's no fear of the landlord ever closing down any area of the park. Those first three rows are being closed down because the land is more valuable as commercial property because it is surrounded by other commercial property and everyone knew that was the case who bought in that area.

JasonWolff said "I don't follow how mobile homes cannot be moved physically. There are a lot of buildings that can be moved in varying conditions shapes and sizes. The real problem to me, is finding a lot to bring them to.     Edited by JasonWolff, 2018-12-01 11:22:45"

I have talked to a mover and he confirmed that some of the old trailers simply cannot be moved. You could drag them out to another lot but they would not be livable when they got there. Some have had new peak roofs out on-the added weight will cause the frame to twist when they are moved. In some cases just being moved will cause twisted frames even without a heavy new roof on top. If the interior has been renovated there is a very good chance the walls will crack-that was the case with a friend's trailer: they couldn't sell it for much because moving would wreck the interior. Not could-would.

Many years ago there were 3 more mobile home parks in Brandon . The people in all of them got notice they had to move .MY family was one of them . Luckily we were able to sell our home to a farm family . We didn't get 6 months notice either , it was a "get out of here asap This was close to Christmas .  
We are now in a "modular home "in. another court were we pay monthly rent . Our "modular " was over $222000 when we bought it and has increased in value , they are like a regular home where if you invest in it you don't lose . And they ARE NOT trailers , I think people need to give up the perception that we are trash and we'll just hook up and move in the middle of the night .We work and pay our bills too .  
There could be a chance some of the people from Brentwood could get into the court outside the gates at Shilo . Good luck to them , I feel your pain .

Shebear said "the free stuff for some is unfair when others have to suffer after having to work hard to get their homes, then this stuff happens. Again its unfair to the people in the trailer court espc doing this near Christmas is bad timing.   I hope there is someone who reads this post and can somehow help the people. "

I understand your take on the timing. I wonder though what six month period is best? While the just before Christmas time may be rough,I think it makes sure the kids can stay in school. Plus apartments etc will be emptying out for the summer. It will make the fall rental market right though. Other than Xmas the timing is no shabby imo. I certainly understand your thoughts. My thoughts are with those famlies.

I too am confused on the free stuff you talk of. We are talking of housing so when you mention "the free stuff for some is unfair when others have to suffer after having to work hard to get their homes, then this stuff happens." Talking in a thread of homes one would tend to think you are talking of housing. I feel for these people that have to move but in all honesty this was something coming years in the making. Really when people are putting it in their sale conditions to new buyers....well one cannot feel sorry for.

The amount of development taking place in Brandon land is at a premium. For that reason, I wouldn't consider any of these parks a safe bet to be around in ten years. I would suggest that if you plan on renovating or adding to your mobile, to do it in a way that won't make the home immovable in the future. After seeing the old part of Brentwood cleared and redeveloped back in '96, I always knew it would just be a matter of time before these three rows would go too. I do feel sorry for the people who have to get out.

what numbers are the first 3 rows we were looking at a couple out there and want make sure they aren't ones evicted before we go look . What number of trailers start the new part

barngramma said "what numbers are the first 3 rows we were looking at a couple out there and want make sure they aren't ones evicted before we go look . What number of trailers start the new part "

Far as I know, any number below 83 would be in the section being evicted.

Is how many of those being evicted are renters, or own the mobiles. From what I've heard (which can always vary) is that there are a lot of rentals in there.

Ouch. Well this isn't looking good then.